Originally Posted By: ZiTS
Falcon,
I intended to use the caps lock because I was yelling at you.
You do understand, don't you, that the Police Interceptor isn't available yet and won't be until late 2011? It is still under development, and is still being tested, by Ford and their selected police members. You don't believe, do you, that Ford would simply take one EcoBoost engine, strap it on a dyno for a million miles, turn it off, and then say "Yep, it's good to go!"? They are doing real world testing as we speak (type).
For the speed/acceleration, I am referring to chase down speed (i.e., catching up to a speeder), as well as routine patrol performance. Police work isn't simply pursuing a bad guy on the highway all day long, going as fast as you can go.
For gas mileage, there is no argument. I'm discussing police cars ONLY. You can not compare any civilian vehicle to any police-use vehicle; that's apples to oranges. Also, the fact that you are overseas is certain to play a role in your figures compared to mine. I'm sure the fuels are different, as well as emissions equipment on the vehicles.
Take care, mate.
Your police cars are no different than your civilian cars when it comes to the basics. Comparing a North American P73 Crown Victoria with a P71 isn't exactly apples and oranges. The only 'superiority', so to speak, that the P71 has is stuff like a higher idle speed, steeper rear axle ratio (3.27 or 3.55 depending on model year), dual exhaust system, higher speed limiter (and 140 MPH speedometer), 11.25" torque converter (sometimes with an aluminium or metal matrix composite drive shaft), TracLoc (not on all vehicles), firmer springs, higher capacity alternator, etc. It's basically a stripped down vehicle with added heavy duty upgrades. Obviously some features, such as PATS, are removed to make them fleet friendly, but there is no super duper cop chip and engine, cop brakes, cop supercharger and so forth to make them any different otherwise. Think of it as an option package, if you like.
As far as fuel economy is concerned, unless E85 significantly reduces mileage, I wouldn't imagine there being a lot of differences. Converting from metric to US MPG, I average around 28 MPG in my Grand Marquis. Granted my vehicle has a 2.73 rear axle ratio with the Export Handling Package, there isn't too steep of a difference when compared to the 3.27 RAR on the P71. Panther Platform vehicles bound for export share quite a few similarities with the P71 actually. Quite a number of people on a Crown Victoria Forum I am a member of are talking about 30 MPG, and they are in the US. Just because an engine has fewer cylinders doesn't automatically make them more fuel efficient. Modern V6 HP figures may put the Modular 2V to shame, but that doesn't mean they are more economical. I can understand it if they have modern technologies, such as cylinder deactivation and what have you...but when a vehicle is to serve in police duty, they want as few things to break as possible. Also, the CVPI isn't exactly a dog in the acceleration department. They are not as fast as some vehicles on the road, but still manage to hit 60 MPH in under 8 seconds - which for 4,000+ pounds, with additional equipment and weight, isn't exactly bad.
I am well aware this Taurus isn't going to be a patrol unit, until Ford kills the Crown Victoria and takes 1,400+ jobs with it at the St. Thomas Assembly Plant. But the EcoBoost engines are already on the road. I haven't read anything about Ford still developing/testing the power plant for police duty. If you have any info, I would appreciate it.
Cheers.
Falcon,
I intended to use the caps lock because I was yelling at you.
For the speed/acceleration, I am referring to chase down speed (i.e., catching up to a speeder), as well as routine patrol performance. Police work isn't simply pursuing a bad guy on the highway all day long, going as fast as you can go.
For gas mileage, there is no argument. I'm discussing police cars ONLY. You can not compare any civilian vehicle to any police-use vehicle; that's apples to oranges. Also, the fact that you are overseas is certain to play a role in your figures compared to mine. I'm sure the fuels are different, as well as emissions equipment on the vehicles.
Take care, mate.
Your police cars are no different than your civilian cars when it comes to the basics. Comparing a North American P73 Crown Victoria with a P71 isn't exactly apples and oranges. The only 'superiority', so to speak, that the P71 has is stuff like a higher idle speed, steeper rear axle ratio (3.27 or 3.55 depending on model year), dual exhaust system, higher speed limiter (and 140 MPH speedometer), 11.25" torque converter (sometimes with an aluminium or metal matrix composite drive shaft), TracLoc (not on all vehicles), firmer springs, higher capacity alternator, etc. It's basically a stripped down vehicle with added heavy duty upgrades. Obviously some features, such as PATS, are removed to make them fleet friendly, but there is no super duper cop chip and engine, cop brakes, cop supercharger and so forth to make them any different otherwise. Think of it as an option package, if you like.
As far as fuel economy is concerned, unless E85 significantly reduces mileage, I wouldn't imagine there being a lot of differences. Converting from metric to US MPG, I average around 28 MPG in my Grand Marquis. Granted my vehicle has a 2.73 rear axle ratio with the Export Handling Package, there isn't too steep of a difference when compared to the 3.27 RAR on the P71. Panther Platform vehicles bound for export share quite a few similarities with the P71 actually. Quite a number of people on a Crown Victoria Forum I am a member of are talking about 30 MPG, and they are in the US. Just because an engine has fewer cylinders doesn't automatically make them more fuel efficient. Modern V6 HP figures may put the Modular 2V to shame, but that doesn't mean they are more economical. I can understand it if they have modern technologies, such as cylinder deactivation and what have you...but when a vehicle is to serve in police duty, they want as few things to break as possible. Also, the CVPI isn't exactly a dog in the acceleration department. They are not as fast as some vehicles on the road, but still manage to hit 60 MPH in under 8 seconds - which for 4,000+ pounds, with additional equipment and weight, isn't exactly bad.
I am well aware this Taurus isn't going to be a patrol unit, until Ford kills the Crown Victoria and takes 1,400+ jobs with it at the St. Thomas Assembly Plant. But the EcoBoost engines are already on the road. I haven't read anything about Ford still developing/testing the power plant for police duty. If you have any info, I would appreciate it.
Cheers.
