Ford Expedition or Chevrolet Tahoe?

[cptbarkey]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
neither, both are very expensive and gas guzzlers. go for a minivan instead. it is a MUCH better value.

If you HAVE to go with one of those two, go Ford, even though its powertrain is a generation behind the pickups I guess, anything is better then Government subsidized product.


Believe it or not there are people that have lifestyle's that make owning a mini-van impracticable. Mini-vans could tow and haul the payload for my trips. But a mini-van would not handle that pay load and towing two weekends a month very well. Add I am pretty sure my children appreciate not having to share their seats with luggage and camping supplies. Also I would need to place articles on the top of mini-vans that in a pickup I can place in the bed or in a SUV in the third row, I doubt that the mini-van would have any fuel economy advantages adding luggage to the top of vans tends to destroy fuel economy.


I agree, everyone needs a truck to tow their ski boats or gigantic pontoon boats everywhere they go at all times which justifies owning a pickup. 9 out of 10 pickups in texas have zero scratches on them. i've lived here for years. tell me more about how people really have A NEED for a pickup or large SUV.

 

[Trav]

Why do you really give a rats rear what anyone buys or drives? You don't have to pay for it, maintain it or have anything to do with it.
Tell the real reason why this bothers you.

 

[01rangerxl]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Why do you really give a rats rear what anyone buys or drives? You don't have to pay for it, maintain it or have anything to do with it.
Tell the real reason why this bothers you.


I'm curious to know as well.

 

[SwampSurvivor]

Is the newer 5.4 as gutless as the older 5.4?

Aside from rust, I love our 2001 F350 but the 5.4 is just a gutless engine below 3000RPM.

It would come down to interiors for me, I've always like Ford interiors

 

[surfstar]

Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: Trav
Why do you really give a rats rear what anyone buys or drives? You don't have to pay for it, maintain it or have anything to do with it.
Tell the real reason why this bothers you.


I'm curious to know as well.


Dependence on foreign oil.

What we (as a country) all drive makes a difference to each other. Less demand would equal cheaper gas prices too. Continue to not give a rats and drive what you want, but know that it does make a difference and thats why some people care.

 

[Trav]

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Less demand would equal cheaper gas prices too

Cut demand in half and double the price you mean. Any surplus will go to right to China.

 

[SwampSurvivor]

Does dependence on foreign oil count when we're exporting oil just as much as we're importing it?

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: MaximaGuy
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
My friends '08 Expedition EL (6-speed 6R80 auto) was averaging 18.xx MPG in mixed driving.


Most gasoline V6's in the market give 20-25MPG combined in the city & hwy driving. Now a behemoth an EL would be div>


Just did some light reading to see if my buddies claims were out of touch, apparently they are were on the high side but hardly out of touch.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1147923-long-trip-results.html

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9218197&postcount=13

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9068672&postcount=3

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9082833&postcount=7

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
neither, both are very expensive and gas guzzlers. go for a minivan instead. it is a MUCH better value.

If you HAVE to go with one of those two, go Ford, even though its powertrain is a generation behind the pickups I guess, anything is better then Government subsidized product.


Believe it or not there are people that have lifestyle's that make owning a mini-van impracticable. Mini-vans could tow and haul the payload for my trips. But a mini-van would not handle that pay load and towing two weekends a month very well. Add I am pretty sure my children appreciate not having to share their seats with luggage and camping supplies. Also I would need to place articles on the top of mini-vans that in a pickup I can place in the bed or in a SUV in the third row, I doubt that the mini-van would have any fuel economy advantages adding luggage to the top of vans tends to destroy fuel economy.


I agree, everyone needs a truck to tow their ski boats or gigantic pontoon boats everywhere they go at all times which justifies owning a pickup. 9 out of 10 pickups in texas have zero scratches on them. i've lived here for years. tell me more about how people really have A NEED for a pickup or large SUV.


Well I do not have a ski boat or pontoon so I can not speak about that. But my truck is 3 years old and unfortunately you can not go 6 inches on the thing and not find a scratch. I use the pickup because I have the capability to use the pickup. I have only used it 3 times in the last 3 years for "need" as you would put it towing broken down cars. The rest of the time I have used the capabilities is to take the family camping or other recreational purposes. But my family enjoys camping and I earned what money I have so if I want to take my family camping in a 5000lbs pickup full of camping supplies with the AC on who is anyone to tell me what I should drive. Also if you find yourself broken down in the middle of Po-dunk you would be happy that I am driving a pickup because I would offer you a tow.

 

[dave1251]

When I not trying to hypermile it is not uncommon for me to average between 17-19MPG on fill ups with a 6speed and 3.73 gears. Now if you talk to other owners 8-14MPG is not uncommon but that something to do with the mentally of I got to be the first to the red light or as fast as I can get to the red light and/or I like how my 22-28inch wheels look on my SUV/pickup.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
When I not trying to hypermile it is not uncommon for me to average between 17-19MPG on fill ups with a 6speed and 3.73 gears. Now if you talk to other owners 8-14MPG is not uncommon but that something to do with the mentally of I got to be the first to the red light or as fast as I can get to the red light and/or I like how my 22-28inch wheels look on my SUV/pickup.


Agreed

 

[Spazdog]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Why do you really give a rats rear what anyone buys or drives? You don't have to pay for it, maintain it or have anything to do with it.
Tell the real reason why this bothers you.


He's actually right. There are a LOT of trucks here that never see anything beyond passenger car duty. I just did a service on a Silverado 2500HD. The bed was unmarred by any scratches and the hitch receiver did not have any scratches on it as if it had never been used.

Personally, I'm not bothered by it. I'm amused by it.

If you ask them why they bought such a large heavy duty truck they often respond, "I can't drive no little-bitty car. I'm too hard on cars...." which I interpret as them admitting that they are bad drivers.
My position on this stance is further bolstered by the fact that they cannot manuever their own vehicles in and out of my garage without hitting the wall.
I have a client who is a cowgirl. Real cowgirl. Barrel Racer. 4'10" and maybe 90lbs in boots belt buckle and hat. Gorgeous little thing. She can manuever her F-350 SuperCrew in and out like nobody's business. Just like she was riding her Quarter Horse. Gooseneck horse trailer with living quarters goes exactly where she wants it to. But these "real men" who have to drive "real trucks" cannot. It's hilarious. I feel bad for them when they catch the side of the bed of their new 3/4 ton diesel on the 8" reinforced concrete wall...rather, I feel bad for the truck. But I am not offended. It's just funny to me.

 

[Trav]

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He's actually right. There are a LOT of trucks here that never see anything beyond passenger car duty

Yeah okay but that effects me about the same as bicycle falling over somewhere.
IMO folks should get along with their own lives and stop thinking about what someone else buys, why they bought it and what they do with it.

 

[Astro14]

I just rented a 2012 Tahoe - great driving machine - about 19 MPG on the highway, loaded with family and luggage, at 72 MPH...

Very, very nice driving truck, great ride, decent handling, nice interior appointments.

I owned a 2000 Ford Expedition with the 5.4 and tow package, 3.73 gears, and it's not a fair comparison, that truck was a base model, bought for towing the Packard...but it was a good driving, reliable, machine.

12 years of incremental improvments sure make a difference, though, and I don't think you can go wrong with either of them. I won't get into Ford vs. Chevy, that's specious...my kid brother's 1999 Silverado is at 240,000 miles on the original engine and trans...and I am sure any of the vehicles in consideration here would go that far with BITOG maintenance...

 

[Spazdog]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Quote:
He's actually right. There are a LOT of trucks here that never see anything beyond passenger car duty

Yeah okay but that effects me about the same as bicycle falling over somewhere.
IMO folks should get along with their own lives and stop thinking about what someone else buys, why they bought it and what they do with it.



I personally don't care what they buy and what they do with it. I do find it funny when the truck is damaged by their inability to drive a vehicle of that size. Not because the truck is damaged, that's kinda' sad. But whatever image they were trying to portray by using a 3/4 or 1 ton truck as a passenger car is pretty much damaged at that point.

The "cowboy" in the $700 custom inlay Lucchese boots and $1000 100X beaver Resistol that's never seen a cow just dragged a King Ranch F-250 across the wall because he bought more vehicle than he had driving ability. Schadenfreude? Perhaps I'm guilty of that.

I like trucks. If Mazda had bothered to market a B2300 SE5 ext cab manual here I probably would have bought that instead of my Mazda6. My friend had a 2000 Ram 1500 5.2 and I liked driving that truck. It wasn't quick, didn't get good gas mileage, didn't handle any better than any Sierrarado or F-150 but it was cool. The way the 318 fed back a steady thrum through the gas pedal, the way it sounded....It was cool. It was soft on the front end and stiff out back like a Fury with pumped up High-Jacker air shocks.

 

[Trav]

Oh i'm on the same page you are. I have seen people buy something they cant drive and damage it or themselves also.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Quote:
He's actually right. There are a LOT of trucks here that never see anything beyond passenger car duty

Yeah okay but that effects me about the same as bicycle falling over somewhere.
IMO folks should get along with their own lives and stop thinking about what someone else buys, why they bought it and what they do with it.


One thing that really frees you in life is when you quit worrying about others and work on yourself.

Envious people make me ill.

 

[cptbarkey]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Quote:
He's actually right. There are a LOT of trucks here that never see anything beyond passenger car duty

Yeah okay but that effects me about the same as bicycle falling over somewhere.
IMO folks should get along with their own lives and stop thinking about what someone else buys, why they bought it and what they do with it.



you are confusing my caring for what people buy versus people thinking out of the box. I highly doubt ANY family needs a Expedition or a Tahoe AT ALL. Minivans over time have gotten a terrible rap. Instead car companies got smart and re-invented crossover (really just station wagons). By all means, go buy a duelly/suv/station wagon though to your hearts content, but just know it wasnt the smart choice.

 

[Trav]

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I highly doubt ANY family needs a Expedition or a Tahoe AT ALL.

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but just know it wasnt the smart choice

How can you make statements like this?
How do you know what someone else needs or doesn't need for all you know he might be better off with an Excursion, Denali XL 2500 or even a unimog.

If someone buys what they want and are happy with it they made the smart choice.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Originally Posted By: Trav
Quote:
He's actually right. There are a LOT of trucks here that never see anything beyond passenger car duty

Yeah okay but that effects me about the same as bicycle falling over somewhere.
IMO folks should get along with their own lives and stop thinking about what someone else buys, why they bought it and what they do with it.



you are confusing my caring for what people buy versus people thinking out of the box. I highly doubt ANY family needs a Expedition or a Tahoe AT ALL. Minivans over time have gotten a terrible rap. Instead car companies got smart and re-invented crossover (really just station wagons). By all means, go buy a duelly/suv/station wagon though to your hearts content, but just know it wasnt the smart choice.


I do not believe to objecting to what vehicle someone chooses to buy is a smart choice either. If you brought a Prius I would not say that Prius does not meet his or his families needs and was not a smart choice. Mini-vans got a bad rap? So what if people do not want to buy one would you try to force people to buy one if you were a CEO of a company? That has been done also that did not work out too well. You have let it known that you object to what people buy. OK fine object you have just as much right to object as I do to agree or buy. But do not try to compare someone's intelligence or decision making on the vehicle another person decides to buy. The last time I checked I was free to spend my money that I worked for on a SUV, pickup, car, motorcycle, or bicycle. There are some brands I prefer over others such as in this case I prefer the Expedition over the Tahoe. I can give a reason why because I have owned a very recent Tahoe. But if the OP has decided that he and his wife are going to buy one or the other, I am not going to recommend a Town and Country because I feel that it is too big and the fuel economy would be less than either vehicle or because the capability may not be utilized by the owner. Complaining that other people buy too much vehicle for their "needs" is just as bad or worse than the person who bought said vehicles IMHO. I will complain that people do not follow laws I will also try to justify why people should follow speed limit laws but I will also tell them you can break laws also if you disagree. It is a choice we have. I am happy we can make that choice.