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Yep, I remember it being 5 seconds full power for the GT. Overboost on the Taycan lasts for 2.5 seconds, but you still have considerable power with it off.
Ford cuts prices of F-150 Lightening by 7-16%.
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I did the same. The old service station maps would show the locations of their stations. I would use rest areas to stop and stretch. We always had a cooler with drinks and food. Restaurants were used when we stopped for the day. That is considered good planning.
There are lots of places where even service stations are not available. Going south over the Siskyous everyone knew to fill up in Ashland. It was the last gas for quite some ways.
I acknowledge much the same. EV's are fine as a second car.... For some people who live and work in an urban environment. But the fact is for most people they simply are not practical as an only vehicle. And many people cannot afford to own and operate 2 cars.
People in many retirement communities have been buying golf carts based on this same principal. They're good to run local errands, and they can..... Wait for it.... Be charged at home. But they don't cost $60K+.
Are EV's stylish, yes. Are they fast, yes. Are they fun to drive, no doubt. But that doesn't change their total lack of practicality for most people. Especially those who want the ability to travel long distances in rural areas.
And admit it or not, at present they do not measure up to what most any ICE vehicle or even a hybrid can do. Their range is severely limited, as are charging stations. Again, this is all especially true in rural areas.
These are FACTS, not "lies", or my, or anyone else's opinion. I won't even get into the long charging times, as that has been mentioned over and over every time these discussions come up.
Perhaps if these things ever catch on, (and right now that is a pretty big "if"), there will be a charging network large enough to make them more practical than they are now. (Assuming they come up with better batteries that can be charged in minutes, not hours).
But that will cost billions of dollars, and take decades to implement nationwide in order to be able to directly compete with ICE.
But the fact is right now most people are not interested in paying more for a vehicle that can do less. And take more time to do it. Let alone having a government that is pushing them in that direction.
It sounds good, but you're still wrong. It doesn't take hours to charge on the road. it takes 10-20 minutes. You'll stop every 3 hours or so for a top up. I live in a small town surrounded by rural areas. I'm still 50 miles or less from a Tesla charger at any given time even with our open rural areas. I also didn't pay $60k for the car either. Literally the same car I bought is available on Tesla's site for $38k currently. I get it if you don't want to learn to drive a different way and that's fine. I want everyone to have the choice of what they want to buy. The only real problem with your post is that your facts are 5 years old. They aren't fact anymore.
So go on about the charging times from 5 or more years ago if it makes you feel better. As I said earlier I like to plan my routes. I can plan it on Tesla and it'll tell me where I need to stop to charge. And I'll know this when I plan my route which could be weeks in advance of my trip. I like knowing ahead of time so I can see if there's something I want to see along the way. This is how I've always traveled. The only thing that is different is what is powering the car.
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You can "plan your trip" all you want. It doesn't change a thing. What you refuse to accept, is that ANY ICE vehicle can go from empty to full in 5 minutes..... 5 minutes. And you're good for another 400 to 500 miles.
How long is it going to take you to drive that Tesla from Chicago to Florida? Or from New York to San Diego? No matter how you look at it, what is on the market TODAY in EV's cannot be compared to ICE for long distance driving. No way, no how.
And it's one thing to want to stop every 3 hours. But it's another to have to. This is the part you refuse to accept as a major negative. And it's what turns most people off to EV's.
And you're not going to convince me that 10 minutes on a charger, "super" or otherwise, is going to last for 3 HOURS at highway speeds of 75 MPH+. Especially if its 95 degrees outside, and you have the A/C going full blast.....
Or if you're driving from Minneapolis to Billings in January, when it's -10, and you have resistance heating and fans running wide open. These are the situations EV lovers so conveniently overlook.... That ICE drivers don't have to give a single thought to......
But if you live in Brooklyn, and want to drive 2 miles to the market, and stop at the pharmacy on the way back to pick up your scripts, they're fine.
No where in here did I tell why you should have an EV. All I told you is that they work for plenty of people and why and the facts you quoted as facts aren't current. I have never tried to convince anyone to buy an EV and I won't start today. That doesn't change the fact that you came in here hostile acting like anyone who drives an EV cares why you hate them, no matter how supposedly correct your "facts" are. The only thing I interjected with was where your facts differed with reality. The only question I could possibly have is for all of these people who quote crazy driving situations is do you actually do this more than twice in your life, or are you the rare 2% that actually do this? My follow up for this question after you explain that you do and all the stuff you tow with you while complaining that EVs are an expensive luxury, ignoring the fact that long travel while towing is a luxury that most don't get the time to do anyway. So now that I've laid this out and chances are if you actually do these things, you've just chose to spend your money differently than I did.
The TL;DR on this one is that your input is just poorly derived opinions based on some things read on the internet. You've offered nothing of substance in this thread and just jumped in with the rest of the "I hate EV" crowd to feel included. It's a waste of both of our time and I'm done with this. You can't have a conversation with someone based on facts when someone disagrees with the facts in the first place.
I don't "hate" EV's. And I seriously doubt anyone else posting here does either. Your problem is you interpret ANY and ALL criticism of them in direct comparison to ICE as "hate". You're wrong. Period. I can't put it to you any other way.
As always, there is a LOT more to this than pushing EV's on people who don't want them.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ford-cuts-prices-f-150-lightning-truck
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ford-cuts-prices-f-150-lightning-truck
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I'm going to regret commenting again I can tell, but I don't see how this is pushing EVs on people who don't want them. Ford is trying to get into a market they're still learning and having trouble. These trucks will having trouble selling at their price point even if they were reliable. They've been outwardly known to have problems with their battery packs. Ford also decided to modify an existing chassis instead of build it from the ground up. This has caused a lot of efficiency issues. I would think it would be safe to say that the people who want an EV and also want a truck do not intersect often. They are opposing ideas unless you want to stop twice as long to charge to go the same distance. I guess it would be great for Menards or Home Depot runs, but I don't see how this looks like a good choice to most people. If I had to tow regularly I would have kept my 2017 F150. I drive a lot of miles so I don't want to pay more than necessary to get around especially when there are fun cars to drive which ride better.
I think Ford has been making a lot of mistakes for awhile. Killing off all cars for crossovers, trucks, and SUVs definitely wasn't great. Fusions seemed pretty popular so they just gave up market share in the process.
Not me. I can think of 5 lesser priced EVs off the top of my head that I'd rather have than this. I'm not looking for a truck though so that might not be a fair statement. I just doubt very few people who want a truck will be interested in it. My local dealer has one and I wouldn't mind driving it though, I'd like to see what it's like.
That depends on your use case. I waste far more time fueling our ICE vehicles than our EV.
Sounds weird, but I am starting to hate gas stations. Waste of time and $$.
I do struggle with a pickup with an electric drivetrain. It seems as though you just have to want one, like the faaaaaast Lightning. Our trusty, thirsty old Tundra is just about perfect, at least for me.
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I'm not talking about Ford. I'm talking about the video in the link referring to the governments 2035 deadline to ban the production of ICE vehicles. Ford is one of the few things we agree on.
One would think Ford could have come up with another name... A Mustang is a 2 door coupe with a 289 and 4 speed. Or maybe a C4...
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That's not a Federal ban. That's California and that's to be expected from them.
*edit* Apparently New York too.
Must be the gas stations you use with long lines?
I drive in, enter my rewards number, use Apple Pay, fill up and go. Way less than five minutes.
They say Mustang is now a Ford sub brand basically. Like how Hyundai did with Ioniq. At least Ioniq just meant what they were currently doing instead of changing what people were used to for 59 years.
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