What special tools?
My dad said the same thing about 1970’s automobiles compared to the 50’s and 60’s and every generation keeps perpetuating this. In 2030 people here will be complaining about the technology compared to today when it was simple.
Features you do NOT like on new vehicles?
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What special tools?
My dad said the same thing about 1970’s automobiles compared to the 50’s and 60’s and every generation keeps perpetuating this. In 2030 people here will be complaining about the technology compared to today when it was simple.
I don’t mind stop start. I’ve had it on my work trucks for years, and now my wife’s SUV has it. No concerns.
Some vehicles are smoother with it for sure - the difference between the ecoboosts and the coyote stop start in the F-150 is noticeable, but neither is obnoxious.
The stopstart on my wife’s 2.0T VW Atlas is barely noticeable. To the point I hardly even notice the engine is running.
You old guys will get used to it, just like seatbelts.
Some vehicles are smoother with it for sure - the difference between the ecoboosts and the coyote stop start in the F-150 is noticeable, but neither is obnoxious.
The stopstart on my wife’s 2.0T VW Atlas is barely noticeable. To the point I hardly even notice the engine is running.
You old guys will get used to it, just like seatbelts.
One more to add here is the way many new cars are connected to the cloud - I'm not a big fan of the car manufacturers (and pehaps others) having the capability to know where my car is and under what conditions it's being operated.
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Oh, man...
Yup, got a few of those floating around out of salvage vehicles. Very simple fix
these are car features I am familiar with.
Low profile tires.
Not being able to use NAV while driving (with passenger)
Constant seat belt ding.
Power/Econ settings.
Non manually adjustable max sound. If I paid for the super wattage stereo, I don’t want it limited in as far as how loud it goes.
Start-stop.
No heated rear seat. Passengers need love too.
Only black or grey interiors.
Did I say low profile tires?
Low profile tires.
Not being able to use NAV while driving (with passenger)
Constant seat belt ding.
Power/Econ settings.
Non manually adjustable max sound. If I paid for the super wattage stereo, I don’t want it limited in as far as how loud it goes.
Start-stop.
No heated rear seat. Passengers need love too.
Only black or grey interiors.
Did I say low profile tires?
Pushbutton start and rain sensor based wipers. Wheels over 17 inches.
You can't use the Navigation system while driving? Don't you mean enter in a Navigation destination while driving?
I could do that on my old 2016 VW, Factory Nav and CarPlay (but not android auto)
The price?
Anti-roll back... that's what the left pedal is for (on automatic transmissions), on 3-pedal vehicles, that's the middle pedal. It was basic skill to manage 3 pedals when starting from up an steep incline, or cheat with the hand brake, but with the advent of electronic parking brakes, cheating with hand brakes became obsolete
Manual transmissions people have enough trouble with 3 pedals. Some electric car manufacturers think 2 pedals is too much hassle, so they combine automatic braking with the go-pedal, so you just need 1 pedal to operate. Some car manufacturers know people can't rev match on a 3-pedal car, so they incorporate automatic rev-matching on manual transmissions (such as Nissan and Toyota).
Correct, entering while driving. If I’m on, say, a hiway, and suddenly need directions to a restaurant or what not, I can’t just plug it in on the go and keep rolling. I end up using my phone. Instead.
This. Although I'm not sure I agree with your comment that it is bad for fuel economy. I believe multiple studies have shown that it does improve fuel economy slightly, especially in stop and go traffic.
We had this feature on a rental not too long ago and we did get a little used to it after a week. We also figured how to game the system. On the RAV4, it only kicks in if you hold the brake pedal down hard. If you feather it just enough to come to a stop, it won't kick on. Also, if you turn on Sport mode, it will disable stop-start outright. There is no other way to permanently disable it that we could find.
Now that I drive a hybrid, I don't mind at all.
For many vehicles that have electronic parking brake you need special tool to squeeze back the piston in the rear caliper when you change the brake pads. Also know that many european cars need a diagnostic tool hooked up in order to reset the calipers when the pads are changed. That kind of special tool mate.
I have over$30,000 current insured value (this means that many have depreciated because of age) of my personal automotive tools. At least $10,000 are specialize for vehicle's manufactured from 1995 and newer! I am pretty sure I am under estimating what I spent in tools but this is crazy amount as it is.
I will say I just say "NO" to working on any Tesla.. lol
I grabbed these because most now have them in their DIY tool box Here is a simple brake tool that was not around or needed in 70's or older
The tool boxes in the picture are likely less then 1/2 of my tool collection and each boxed is completely full.
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This.
I'm skeptical of any alleged fuel saving or pollution reduction of start stop. It seems once again the bean counters only focus on the tailpipe, but forget the entire ecosystem involved. Maybe you save a teaspoon of gas on a daily commute with start/stop. Compare that savings against the added fuel/oil/energy used in:
* Production of the extra components.
* The highly complex system is inherently more parts, and therefore inherently more prone to fail. Failure means an extra trip to the auto mechanic, which for most people means getting the car there, sometimes a tow truck, then sometimes a taxi home, then another taxi to the shop when the repairs are made, and a final trip home. Let's say the mechanic is 5 miles away. That's 4 extra 5 mile trips, or 20 more miles.
* The mechanic needs to buy more parts, manufactured and transported with energy.
* The car owner perhaps has to work an extra shift at work to pay for the expensive repairs, so another drive to and from work that was otherwise unnecessary.
* How about the auto mechanic who has to buy more specialty tools, manufactured with energy and resources, to work on this new system? And has to attend a new training seminar to get certified to work on this system, and that requires traveling to a nearby town to get the certification. Is that factored?
This also applies to other parts designed around auto stop/start including the brakes, the transmission, the engine, etc. So it impacts much of the expensive mechanical and electrical car parts. This all sounds like many very expensive complicated additional points of failure. No thanks.
Has the teaspoon of fuel saved before balanced out this?
And, in my understanding, starters have a finite life. Starting a car an extra 50 times daily is going to wear it out faster. If the solution is just a more robust starter, then I'd suggest those more robust starters should be on all cars. And you need a starter 50x more robust, for instance, on one start/stop 50 extra times daily.
And engine wear also, in my understanding, comes at startup. Perhaps not as much if it's already warm and lubricated. But let's imagine the engine wears out twice as fast. What is the environmental impact of engines wearing out prematurely?
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The 5th Gen Toyota 4Runner has literally nothing in terms of options y'all have talked about (minus 4x4 extras), which is why I bought it.
Can I offer you a 5th Gen Toyota 4Runner (not mine!)? They literally have barely any of this and mostly none of it. It's like a straightbody GM truck from the '80's.
Can I offer you a 5th Gen Toyota 4Runner (not mine!)? They literally have barely any of this and mostly none of it. It's like a straightbody GM truck from the '80's.
Dunno.
Is it more complicated, and require major alterations to the transmission, brakes, engine, and electronics?
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