Drastic difference in high speed oil consumption

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My 1991 318i has around 155k miles.

It has always had the same use profile ever since I bought it over 75,000 miles ago. I do mainly suburban driving, low-speed with stoplights, but then I do on occasion do a good deal of high speed interstate driving.

I've been trying to map my consumption rates to get a good understanding. Over the last two years and number of oil change intervals I have run either m1 10W-40 high mileage or m1 10W-50. Both are good viscosities per my manual. I've run various synthetics in this car without issue.

Over the last 15-30k, consumption has gone up, but I've found it is entirely highway-based.

Around town with normal local driving, the use is a quart in 3000 or so miles which to me is acceptable.

On the highway, it is around 1qt in 500 miles!!

No leaks, no smoke, no stink, clean emissions. Car runs like a top, smooth, quiet, fine power. Efficiency is as it has always been.

I have a startup lifter tick, not sure if it is a correlation... I think it started before the consumption, but both are similarly recent occurrences.

Could they be related? I'm dropping my oil choice to valvoline nexgen maxlife 10w-40 since it can be had really cheap and if anything can do something better for the car I imagine that is the stuff.

But any thoughts on the consumption that is really only at high speed? My car has a 4.10 LSD, and fifth gear is 0.81. It spins pretty fast on the highway, generally well over 3000.

Thank you!
 
FWIW.....my truck does the same exact thing.

Except I'm a quart every 2k putting around town...but a quart every 300 miles on the highway.

I too have lifter tick.

The last time you changed your plugs, did they all pretty much look the same? ....meaning oil consumption equal across all cylinders?
 
German cars never LEAK oil, Ja? Even if your parking spot is clean the leak may be rpm related. Better check on a lift. Can be something as simple as the famous Bosch oil pressure switch. On many BMWs, a VW switch is the same part, and cheaper.
 
will be interesting to see what the verdict is. could it be the rings loosing oil seal more under higher load ? no smoke so it makes you wonder.
 
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Originally Posted By: HerrStig
German cars never LEAK oil, Ja? Even if your parking spot is clean the leak may be rpm related. Better check on a lift. Can be something as simple as the famous Bosch oil pressure switch. On many BMWs, a VW switch is the same part, and cheaper.


I would see some wetness, someplace under the car, nein? The chance of a straight drop down to the ground with no leaks/spots in my normal parking spots just seems a little bit far fetched...
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Does this engine have the cyclonic oil separator?


No it doesn't even have a PCV valve or EGR.
 
Originally Posted By: Phishin
FWIW.....my truck does the same exact thing.

The last time you changed your plugs, did they all pretty much look the same? ....meaning oil consumption equal across all cylinders?


Me too..
Found #1 plug wet twice
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Does this engine have the cyclonic oil separator?


No it doesn't even have a PCV valve or EGR.


They don't normally have the PCV (none of mine do) but they do have the oil separator at least. Was curious if yours did. Do you have any pictures of the engine, or could you take some?

The reason I ask is that if you DO have it, and it is plugged, you will get high RPM oil consumption.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
German cars never LEAK oil, Ja? Even if your parking spot is clean the leak may be rpm related. Better check on a lift. Can be something as simple as the famous Bosch oil pressure switch. On many BMWs, a VW switch is the same part, and cheaper.


I would see some wetness, someplace under the car, nein? The chance of a straight drop down to the ground with no leaks/spots in my normal parking spots just seems a little bit far fetched...


You'd think so but, i had a mazda that liked to use on the highway. It turned out to be a leaking front main seal. Oil only drips at speed, running down the front of the oil pan, to be blown away. It never dripped onto the ground.

Could be stuck oil control rings though. A piston soak with atf/acetone mix or similar wouldn't hurt it.
 
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No separator. There is a network of breather tubes under the intake, and a breather that goes straight to the intake trunk near the tb.
 
OK, so the large tube coming off the valve cover, it just goes back into the intake manifold?

That's normally what goes to the separator if so equipped.


I would check that hose to make sure it hasn't collapsed and can properly vent, as that could very well be your issue.

Part # : 11 15 1 717 858

It is $12.00.
 
Originally Posted By: suspiciousmind


Could be stuck oil control rings though. A piston soak with atf/acetone mix or similar wouldn't hurt it.


I've used neutra before and now have a full dose of kreen in with the oil in the sump (well it was in there a few thousand miles ago). I was doing this to try and solve the lifter tick but it did not work.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
OK, so the large tube coming off the valve cover, it just goes back into the intake manifold?

That's normally what goes to the separator if so equipped.


I would check that hose to make sure it hasn't collapsed and can properly vent, as that could very well be your issue.

Part # : 11 15 1 717 858

It is $12.00.


It's real funky. That one on the top goes into a bunch of others under the intake, and come out on the other side with one directly into the TB, and a big one into the trunk.

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The car is real sensitive to vacuum. Pulling the hose from the vc will cause a near stall unless the hose is plugged. Disconnecting the other end at the intake trunk will set a cel.

The vc has a port on the opposite side that is connected to the ICV.

The M42 is a bit of a screwy design with the breathers.

P.S. pulled the big hose from the vc, plugged it, and watched. The engine has next to no blowby. And it's at full temp.
 
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
OK, so the large tube coming off the valve cover, it just goes back into the intake manifold?

That's normally what goes to the separator if so equipped.


I would check that hose to make sure it hasn't collapsed and can properly vent, as that could very well be your issue.

Part # : 11 15 1 717 858

It is $12.00.


It's real funky. That one on the top goes into a bunch of others under the intake, and come out on the other side with one directly into the TB, and a big one into the trunk.

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The car is real sensitive to vacuum. Pulling the hose from the vc will cause a near stall unless the hose is plugged. Disconnecting the other end at the intake trunk will set a cel.

The vc has a port on the opposite side that is connected to the ICV.

The M42 is a bit of a screwy design with the breathers.

P.S. pulled the big hose from the vc, plugged it, and watched. The engine has next to no blowby. And it's at full temp.


Well, that's good to hear! How much oil residue is in that hose? What about the one at the other end of the VC?
 
There is some dampness there. Not oil per se, more like the wet mix of garbage from a catch can. Will take more pics.
 
SI this is after 100 interstate miles today. While there is residue in the pipe and I know there is some in the throttlebody as well it is in no way excessive.

This was the drip that you saw hanging inside the hole on the valve cover where the hose attaches.

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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
German cars never LEAK oil, Ja? Even if your parking spot is clean the leak may be rpm related. Better check on a lift. Can be something as simple as the famous Bosch oil pressure switch. On many BMWs, a VW switch is the same part, and cheaper.


I would see some wetness, someplace under the car, nein? The chance of a straight drop down to the ground with no leaks/spots in my normal parking spots just seems a little bit far fetched...
As others have mentioned, it happens. My BMW bike was leaking at the switch, which is lot easler to see on a bike, but it very kindly did not foul its parking spot. The rear main is a good bet as well, but will usually foul a manual clutch pretty quick and tip you off that way.
 
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