Difference between Castrol Edge "Euro" 0W-20 and Castrol Edge EP - 0W-20?

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From some of you who really understand the nitty-gritty of oil composition, I'm hoping you can explain the basic differences between these Castrol oils for me?

Castrol Edge Euro 0W-20 LL IV - https://tinyurl.com/yydwdaf2
Material Safety Data Sheet - https://tinyurl.com/2sk3t8eb
Safety Data Sheet - https://tinyurl.com/muewjxcx
MEETS OR EXCEEDS INDUSTRY STANDARDS: ACEA C5, Porsche C20, VW 508 00/ 509 00

I found this application list of vehicles that use this oil: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9d7n

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Castrol Edge Extended Performance 0W-20 - https://tinyurl.com/3as9s6vj
Material Safety Data Sheet - https://tinyurl.com/4ehpt5y8
Safety Data Sheet - https://tinyurl.com/58sc242b

MEETS OR EXCEEDS INDUSTRY STANDARDS: API SP/SN PLUS/SN, ILSAC GF-6, ACEA A1/B1, ACEA C5, Meets Ford WSS-M2C947-B1, Meets Ford WSS-M2C962-A1, Fiat 9.55535-CR1, Fiat 9.55535-GSX, MB 229.71, GM dexos1® Gen 3*

The Castrol Edge "Euro" has a really impressive "pour point" (-66). I'm guessing the primary difference between both oils is that the "Euro" version has much more PAO based on the data sheet? Is that correct?

Thank you for your feedback,
Ed
 
Euro Edge has more PAO per Pour Point and MSDS. The Euro also meets higher level specifications as you've indicated. As to whether it is better than EDGE EP is really hard to say. In cases like this I'd lean towards saying Euro Edge is the better of the two. That's not to say the EDGE EP wouldn't meet or exceed those specs, but it wasn't tested against them.
 
Ed_Flecko said:
From some of you who really understand the nitty-gritty of oil composition, I'm hoping you can explain the basic differences between these Castrol oils for me?

Castrol Edge Euro 0W-20 LL IV - https://tinyurl.com/yydwdaf2
Material Safety Data Sheet - https://tinyurl.com/2sk3t8eb
Safety Data Sheet - https://tinyurl.com/muewjxcx
MEETS OR EXCEEDS INDUSTRY STANDARDS: ACEA C5, Porsche C20, VW 508 00/ 509 00

I found this application list of vehicles that use this oil: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9d7n

-vs

Castrol Edge Extended Performance 0W-20 - https://tinyurl.com/3as9s6vj
Material Safety Data Sheet - https://tinyurl.com/4ehpt5y8
Safety Data Sheet - https://tinyurl.com/58sc242b

MEETS OR EXCEEDS INDUSTRY STANDARDS: API SP/SN PLUS/SN, ILSAC GF-6, ACEA A1/B1, ACEA C5, Meets Ford WSS-M2C947-B1, Meets Ford WSS-M2C962-A1, Fiat 9.55535-CR1, Fiat 9.55535-GSX, MB 229.71, GM dexos1® Gen 3*

The Castrol Edge "Euro" has a really impressive "pour point" (-66). I'm guessing the primary difference between both oils is that the "Euro" version has much more PAO based on the data sheet? Is that correct?

Thank you for your feedback,
Ed
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The big difference is the LSPI and TGDI engine tests under SP.

The MSDS of EP 0w20 indicated C6 as well which is the ACEA adoption of the LSPI/TGDI tests under API SP.

So, this leaves you with whether or not your application requires API SN+ or SP.

As far as the differences "Euro" has some PAO whereas "EP" is most likely formulated with Gr3(3+) which exhibits similar advantages/disadvantages of PAO.
 
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I've never seen the Edge Euro 0w20 in stores. Where can it be purchased and is it available in the 5qt. jug?
 
Greetings, I'm a new Forum member and a new Mazda CX-90 owner ( I-6 w/ 2 turbos ). Mazda calls for their Mazda full syn 0W-20 "with moly" PN 0000-G5-0W20-MQ . The "with moly" isn't mentioned in the Owners Manual but I have noticed that in website pics of the containers.

From what I have found lately, it looks like what Mazda calls for is basically a "Euro" spec oil designed for gas & diesel engines. So that might explain the difference between the Edge Euro & Edge EP.

BTW, I stumbled upon the Triax Lubricant website. They have a 0W-20 Euro LV oil that is a replacement for the Mazda PN and it cost less than the EDGE Euro or Mobil 1 ESP ( another "Euro" oil ). BTW, Triax offer free shipping for orders over $50 also. They get $111 for 12 quarts.

My FF was with a Big Box dexos -1 full syn 0W-20 which wasn't a "Euro" oil - opps. I'll be doing an early oil change in a few months.
 
JVCX90 said:
Greetings, I'm a new Forum member and a new Mazda CX-90 owner ( I-6 w/ 2 turbos ). Mazda calls for their Mazda full syn 0W-20 "with moly" PN 0000-G5-0W20-MQ . The "with moly" isn't mentioned in the Owners Manual but I have noticed that in website pics of the containers.

From what I have found lately, it looks like what Mazda calls for is basically a "Euro" spec oil designed for gas & diesel engines. So that might explain the difference between the Edge Euro & Edge EP.

BTW, I stumbled upon the Triax Lubricant website. They have a 0W-20 Euro LV oil that is a replacement for the Mazda PN and it cost less than the EDGE Euro or Mobil 1 ESP ( another "Euro" oil ). BTW, Triax offer free shipping for orders over $50 also. They get $111 for 12 quarts.

My FF was with a Big Box dexos -1 full syn 0W-20 which wasn't a "Euro" oil - opps. I'll be doing an early oil change in a few months.
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Here is likely what mazda is referring to:


I would use Idemitsu with little to no worries as this is oftentimes the factory fill on alot of Japanese cars:

https://amzn.to/48wlbAz

Honestly, its a Mazda. Its going to run forever with whatever you run in it. An 0w-40 may be good in this application once you are outside of warranty, check this thread below:

2017 Mazda CX-9, HPL PCMO 5W-40, 9,988 Miles

Prior UOA: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2017-mazda-cx9-2-5t-pup-5w-30-4-858-miles.312127/ Cylinder head was replaced at 60K so the entire engine was resealed. Common issue for the early Mazda 2.5T engines. This is probably driving the high Si reading. This was the @High...
bobistheoilguy.com
 
JVCX90 said:
Greetings, I'm a new Forum member and a new Mazda CX-90 owner ( I-6 w/ 2 turbos ). Mazda calls for their Mazda full syn 0W-20 "with moly" PN 0000-G5-0W20-MQ . The "with moly" isn't mentioned in the Owners Manual but I have noticed that in website pics of the containers.

From what I have found lately, it looks like what Mazda calls for is basically a "Euro" spec oil designed for gas & diesel engines. So that might explain the difference between the Edge Euro & Edge EP.

BTW, I stumbled upon the Triax Lubricant website. They have a 0W-20 Euro LV oil that is a replacement for the Mazda PN and it cost less than the EDGE Euro or Mobil 1 ESP ( another "Euro" oil ). BTW, Triax offer free shipping for orders over $50 also. They get $111 for 12 quarts.

My FF was with a Big Box dexos -1 full syn 0W-20 which wasn't a "Euro" oil - opps. I'll be doing an early oil change in a few months.
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Another Triax sales job in sheep’s clothing.
 
I have no connection with Triax. I just discovered their website a few days ago !!!
 
kschachn said:
You mention the Triax product is a replacement for several others, does the Triax product carry the same licenses and approvals as those?
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Friendly suggestion : Take a look at the link in my above post and find out.
 
dnewton3 said:
I don't trust a business that won't even display their name, address and phone number in the "contact us" section of their website. In fact, NOWHERE can I find out where they are located via the website. They want all my info, but they won't give out their info? That seems dodgy to me.
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Here is some info on Triax : https://www.zoominfo.com/c/triax-lubricants-llc/436588633 I'm surprised they don't have more employees ( if this info is correct ).

More info : https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_tx/0801930690

Looks like it's a legit company that has been in business for awhile.
 
kschachn said:
Back to being a shill post as I thought.
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OMG, that's a very obvious shill post. Sometimes these kind of people don't know when to stop. Here's a hint: don't be so obvious, post something that makes people curious, let them figure out how to find your product.

Ed_Flecko said:
From some of you who really understand the nitty-gritty of oil composition, I'm hoping you can explain the basic differences between these Castrol oils for me?
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Castrol EDGE EP 0W-20 is also an Euro oil, sold in Europe as Castrol EDGE C5 0W-20. The base oil composition is not something we, as consumers, have access to. And honestly, I couldn't care less. What is more interesting is the additive package and co-bases they use. Something like PAO won't do much for me, as a consumer, it most certainly doesn't help with lubrication, solvency, etc. I've seen this before where people have this misconception that if an oil is made with Group IV and V base oils it must be good. Nope, a blender can make complete garbage using those groups. Group V is very inclusive, and some of the stuff in it isn't that great, or even useful for blending a quality motor oil. It's more important what an oil does, than what an oil is. Unless one needs cold flow performance at ridiculously low temperatures, there is no reason to chase after a motor oil blended mainly with PAO base stock.

Anyway, Castrol EDGE EP 0W-20 is an excellent oil for most applications that call for a 0W-20, including turbo charged and some Euro engines. Use it with confidence, it's good stuff.
 
JVCX90 said:
Here is some info on Triax : https://www.zoominfo.com/c/triax-lubricants-llc/436588633 I'm surprised they don't have more employees ( if this info is correct ).

More info : https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_tx/0801930690

Looks like it's a legit company that has been in business for awhile.
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Those are business validation links. I would agree it looks like they've been around for a while.
Those links you provide give us not one, but THREE different addresses (and it appears that Triax is perhaps owned by an international holding company?).

Again, if they are so worthy of consideration, why is there no direct corporate info (headquarters business address, phone number, etc) on their customer-facing website? I shouldn't have to google them 7 different ways just to find out where they are located, or how to call them.

I'm not saying they make bad lubes; I have no basis to say that. I'm saying I don't trust them because they don't even put out the basic minimal info as to how to contact them other than the implications of "send us your email and we'll get back to ya".

To be fair, I do see they are API licensed in many of their products; so are Walmart oils, for that matter. I did also find this on their site, but these are claims of applicability and not licenses, are they not?:


How about this marketing zinger ... "our engine oils are state-of-the-art, friction modified and optimized with our unique CRP (Continuously Regenerative Plating)". Awesome ... :LOL:
 
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dnewton3 said:
Those are business validation links. I would agree it looks like they've been around for a while.
Those links you provide give us not one, but THREE different addresses (and it appears that Triax is perhaps owned by an international holding company?).

Again, if they are so worthy of consideration, why is there no direct corporate info (headquarters business address, phone number, etc) on their customer-facing website? I shouldn't have to google them 7 different ways just to find out where they are located, or how to call them.

I'm not saying they make bad lubes; I have no basis to say that. I'm saying I don't trust them because they don't even put out the basic minimal info as to how to contact them other than the implications of "send us your email and we'll get back to ya".

To be fair, I do see they are API licensed in many of their products; so are Walmart oils, for that matter. I did also find this on their site, but these are claims of applicability and not licenses, are they not?:


How about this marketing zinger ... "our engine oils are state-of-the-art, friction modified and optimized with our unique CRP (Continuously Regenerative Plating)". Awesome ... :LOL:
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I did a deep-dive into Triax and their ownership structure a while back but it was a bit too spicy for the forum (and probably a bit invasive if I'm being honest, but all that information is out there to find) so it was removed.

Their API products are cookie cutter white bottle specials, which wouldn't be a problem if their advertising and hype weren't next-level nuts.
 
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