Decarbonising rings

[Arc]

some people i know have used automatic transmission oil in the cylinder and let it soak, it will not fix it the first time
it will take a few tries

what ever you try please report back your results after each try

Works good for sticking fuel injectors too. If I remember correctly hot soaking the valves with ATF was listed in the owners manual of an old BMW I had.

 

[Jetronic]

could be the friction modifiers in ATF are polar enough to replace carbon on metal surfaces, but that's just a guess on my part. But then what happens with that carbon? If the rest of the oil doesn't have enough dispersancy there could be some pretty big chucks floating around

 

[nicholas]

Star tron has an additive that claims to clean rings.

Star Tron Ring Clean +

Starbrite quality care products since 1973 for: Automotive, Marine, Aviation, Motorcycle, Powersports, Outdoor Power Equipment, ATV, Snowmobile, Home Care, Outdoor Furniture, Farm Implement.

www.starbrite.com

Might be worth a shot.

 

[Flash635]

Plot twist! OK, lol.

Many of the products that would be recommended like @High Performance Lubricants don't have a distribution channel in Oz unfortunately. What oils have you been using?

Penrite Enviro C2. It's the only Penrite that is 506.01.
HPR5 is close with more zinc and less boron.

 

[Flash635]

I’ve had success with “Kreen” from Kano labs……don’t know if they have a Distributor in Oz.

I'll look for it. How is it used?

 

[Flash635]

Flush it with liqui moly engine detox run a short interval and do it again. You can get it from Supercheap or Autobarn. You dont need to do piston soaks and what not.

Is that added to the oil?

 

[Flash635]

some people i know have used automatic transmission oil in the cylinder and let it soak, it will not fix it the first time
it will take a few tries

what ever you try please report back your results after each try

I'll try that. I have used ATF and xylene in a petrol engine with success.

 

[incognito_2u]

I'll look for it. How is it used?

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/search/1765321/?q=Kreen+piston+soak&o=relevance

 

[Revving2Redline]

I try to do multiple methods to get parts clean at the same time. I like to do the GDI valve cleaning alone with a PEA fuel cleaner and usually within that day or next I like to use the Gumout Multitune at 1 ounce per quart and run in the crankcase for 10 minutes.

I would like to try adding a moisture angle to the cleaning up carbon. Maybe running at 2k RPM while going through the automatic car wash or hitting the highway and throwing on a steel mesh racing filter from Blitz or something and drive when the moisture/humidity is high.

Blitz - Advanced Power Air Cleaner

The New Blitz Advanced Air Core type air cleaner features both inhalation efficiency of the SUS POWER AIR CLEANER.

www.nengun.com

 

[Flash635]

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/search/1765321/?q=Kreen+piston+soak&o=relevance

There's some good stuff to read there.

 

[Flash635]

I try to do multiple methods to get parts clean at the same time. I like to do the GDI valve cleaning alone with a PEA fuel cleaner and usually within that day or next I like to use the Gumout Multitune at 1 ounce per quart and run in the crankcase for 10 minutes.

I would like to try adding a moisture angle to the cleaning up carbon. Maybe running at 2k RPM while going through the automatic car wash or hitting the highway and throwing on a steel mesh racing filter from Blitz or something and drive when the moisture/humidity is high.

Blitz - Advanced Power Air Cleaner

The New Blitz Advanced Air Core type air cleaner features both inhalation efficiency of the SUS POWER AIR CLEANER.

www.nengun.com

I've got to keep the moisture out. Diesels don't like water but can tolerate some especially at low engine speeds but I've got ceramic piezoelectric fuel,injectors: when water hit the combustion chamber it explodes and can crack the ceramic.

 

[OVERKILL]

some people i know have used automatic transmission oil in the cylinder and let it soak, it will not fix it the first time
it will take a few tries

what ever you try please report back your results after each try

ATF is not a cleaner. It has less detergent and dispersants in it than engine oil.

 

[OVERKILL]

Penrite Enviro C2. It's the only Penrite that is 506.01.
HPR5 is close with more zinc and less boron.

This one?

ENVIRO+ C2 0W-30 (FULL SYN.) | Penrite Oil

ENVIRO+ C2 is a premium full synthetic, long life, SAE 0W-30 engine oil. It is manufactured using advanced mid SAPS (Sulphated Ash, Phosphorus and Sulphur)* additive technology for ultimate engine protection. ENVIRO+ C2 meets the requirements of European ACEA C2 and API SP (American Petroleum...

penriteoil.com.au

If so, it appears it's not actually approved by VW, which is suggested by the language "Product Performance Levels" noted in the PDS and it doesn't appear on the VW list:
https://erwin.volkswagen.de/erwin/downloadStaticFile/volkswagen/files/oil/step_50601.pdf

 

[Flash635]

This one?

ENVIRO+ C2 0W-30 (FULL SYN.) | Penrite Oil

ENVIRO+ C2 is a premium full synthetic, long life, SAE 0W-30 engine oil. It is manufactured using advanced mid SAPS (Sulphated Ash, Phosphorus and Sulphur)* additive technology for ultimate engine protection. ENVIRO+ C2 meets the requirements of European ACEA C2 and API SP (American Petroleum...

penriteoil.com.au

If so, it appears it's not actually approved by VW, which is suggested by the language "Product Performance Levels" noted in the PDS and it doesn't appear on the VW list:
https://erwin.volkswagen.de/erwin/downloadStaticFile/volkswagen/files/oil/step_50601.pdf

ENVIRO+ C2 0W-30 (FULL SYN.) | Penrite Oil

ENVIRO+ C2 is a premium full synthetic, long life, SAE 0W-30 engine oil. It is manufactured using advanced mid SAPS (Sulphated Ash, Phosphorus and Sulphur)* additive technology for ultimate engine protection. ENVIRO+ C2 meets the requirements of European ACEA C2 and API SP (American Petroleum...

penriteoil.com.au

 

[Flash635]

Click the red link, it says VW 506.01.

• Key Specifications: ACEA C2, API SP. See all specifications

 

[OVERKILL]

Click the red link, it says VW 506.01.

• Key Specifications: ACEA C2, API SP. See all specifications

This is unfortunately a very commonly confusing thing.

You'll note it does not say "Approvals", just "performance levels":

For example, it claims MB 229.61, however, if I go to the Mercedes BEVO list:

Mercedes-Benz Operating Fluids

Publication platform for approved operating fluids from Mercedes-Benz

operatingfluids.mercedes-benz.com

These are the products that are approved by Mercedes for MB 229.61 (it's not on there):

If I go to the Ravenol site and find the oil that's listed there:

RAVENOL FES SAE 0W-30

RAVENOL FES SAE 0W-30 is a PAO (Polyalphaolefin) based, full synthetic low friction motor oil with especially USVO® and proven CleanSynto® technology for p...

www.ravenol.de

you can see it is formally approved by both BMW and Mercedes, as this is under the Approvals section:

They put the applications they recommend the product for, but for which it is not formally approved under the Recommendation section.

Follow?

 

[Flash635]

Got it. I'm not usually conned by language.
With that much zinc and boron it should be ok though, right?

 

[adams355]

Got it. I'm not usually conned by language.
With that much zinc and boron it should be ok though, right?

Penrite is a fairly decent brand for Aussie cars but its definitely no Mobil or co especially in Mercedes euro etc.

 

[Flash635]

Penrite is a fairly decent brand for Aussie cars but its definitely no Mobil or co especially in Mercedes euro etc.

There's no Mobil 506.01 in Australia

 

[adams355]

There's no Mobil 506.01 in Australia

Well, I would be using the Mobil below over the Penrite.

Also, Mobil 1™ ESP 5W-30 is a 507.00 which exceeds all the 506.10

Mobil 1 ESP LV 0W-30 Full Synthetic Engine Oil 5L 826626 | Sparesbox

Shop For Mobil 1 ESP LV 0W-30 Full Synthetic Engine Oil 5L 826626 at Sparesbox Australia. $9.90 flat shipping Australia wide on all orders.

www.sparesbox.com.au