Cruze Diesel hitting dealer lots

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Wow awesome news that the Cruze diesel is finally here. I wish they offered it in the base model though. $25k is a lot for a small Chevy.

And of course I will chime in for the manual as well.
 
The other thing to consider is that fuel will probably be even more expensive in the future, resulting in even greater savings.
 
Originally Posted By: artificialist
The other thing to consider is that fuel will probably be even more expensive in the future, resulting in even greater savings.


Generally you should be right, but it's really hard to predict. Back in 2005/2006 when gas hit and exceeded $3/gal, I would not have guessed that gas would be at the same price (corrected for inflation more or less) 8 years later!
 
Originally Posted By: artificialist
The other thing to consider is that fuel will probably be even more expensive in the future, resulting in even greater savings.


With new sources of crude oil, plus alternative fuels like CNG, and improved fuel economy, there is at least a good possibility that gasoline and diesel prices could fluctuate around current levels for the next decade.

I don't foresee any major declines, since a drop in crude prices below $80 could make a lot of oil reserves unprofitable to develop and produce. But higher prices would bring in even more supply.
 
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
I rented a Cruze LTZ and it was a great car.

Will this diesel Cruze be available with 6 speed manual trans ?



Doubt it, a lot of torque strain on a 6spd transaxel.

I had a '85 1.6L VW Diesel Jetta. Light, amazing handling. The definition of a momentum car and got 50 mpg on the highway. But this Cruze is more like the Mercedes 300D.

One of the biggest selling point of a diesel engine is longevity.

GM should drop this engine as is in a small pickup and also cut the displacement by 0.5L and drop it in a lightened sonic with a 6 speed. Those would be two interesting buys.
 
You're probably right. Everyone's going to want to "wait and see," but this time, it really will be almost everyone waiting and seeing. No one buys it, GM panics, and then there's a problem.
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Originally Posted By: rescueswimmer
I figured I'd jump in here. I have a 14 Cruze D with just over 3k on the odometer. The wife drives it mostly back and forth to work about 50 miles each way. Mostly during rush hour traffic. She has been averaging about 44 MPG during those commutes. We have taken it for a road trip and playing around with the speed and cruze control. I was able to get 56 MGP at the pump, with an average speed of about 63 MPH. Most of the trip I had the cruze set at 75 MPH and I was averaging 46 MPG at the pump over the 600 miles we went. Very easy to exceed the EPA numbers, with this car. I'm hoping as the D gets some mileage she loosens up a little. With the extra curb weight you really don't notice it starting and stopping with the D, but you do notice your fuel economy going to [censored], that is for sure. If your a stop and go driver the 6MT eco would be the way to go. Hwy driver the D is hard to beat so far. Now I need to find some Oil once the 2 years of free Maintenance is over with. Any recommendations so far.


I just ordered Mobil 1 ESP from matrixsyntheticoils.com. It is Dexos2 approved (also MB 229.51) and available in 5w-30 or 5w40. The 5w-30 has an HTHS of 3.5 an I am trying it in my LS3.
 
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Originally Posted By: Geoff
Originally Posted By: rescueswimmer

I just ordered Mobil 1 ESP from matrixsyntheticoils.com. It is Dexos2 approved (also MB 229.51) and available in 5w-30 or 5w40. The 5w-30 has an HTHS of 3.5 an I am trying it in my LS3.

According to the PDS below HTHSV is 3.58cP:
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_ESP_Formula_5W-30.aspx

Don't know why you'd what to run it a new LS3 Camero, it's way heavier than necessary vs the preferred M1 5W-30 plus it's more expensive.
 
Originally Posted By: regal55
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
I rented a Cruze LTZ and it was a great car.

Will this diesel Cruze be available with 6 speed manual trans ?



Doubt it, a lot of torque strain on a 6spd transaxel.

I had a '85 1.6L VW Diesel Jetta. Light, amazing handling. The definition of a momentum car and got 50 mpg on the highway. But this Cruze is more like the Mercedes 300D.

One of the biggest selling point of a diesel engine is longevity.

GM should drop this engine as is in a small pickup and also cut the displacement by 0.5L and drop it in a lightened sonic with a 6 speed. Those would be two interesting buys.



Toyota sells the Avensis here in Germany with a 2.2 turbo diesel and 6 spd manual box in a loaded car.
The 6 spd can handle it with no problem.

http://www.adac.de/_ext/itr/tests/Autote...T_Executive.pdf
 
Originally Posted By: regal55
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
I rented a Cruze LTZ and it was a great car.

Will this diesel Cruze be available with 6 speed manual trans ?



Doubt it, a lot of torque strain on a 6spd transaxel.




Yet, manual transmissions hold up to the torque way better than automatics. I love the 6 speed in my TDI and with a tune it is handling over 340 ft lbs of tq for many miles with a super light pedal feel. The DSG's in the VW need a reflash to handle the added torque when tuned. The strong 6 speeds do not.

I think this is Chev's biggest blunder. It's a cool car and I hope it does well but you want to compete with VW's market share, you have to offer a manual transmission.
 
Originally Posted By: jayg
Originally Posted By: regal55
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
I rented a Cruze LTZ and it was a great car.

Will this diesel Cruze be available with 6 speed manual trans ?



Doubt it, a lot of torque strain on a 6spd transaxel.




Yet, manual transmissions hold up to the torque way better than automatics. I love the 6 speed in my TDI and with a tune it is handling over 340 ft lbs of tq for many miles with a super light pedal feel. The DSG's in the VW need a reflash to handle the added torque when tuned. The strong 6 speeds do not.

I think this is Chev's biggest blunder. It's a cool car and I hope it does well but you want to compete with VW's market share, you have to offer a manual transmission.


Agree 110% Diesel owners are more savvy to lifecycle cost, and ATs are a MAJOR liability.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: jayg
Originally Posted By: regal55
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
I rented a Cruze LTZ and it was a great car.

Will this diesel Cruze be available with 6 speed manual trans ?



Doubt it, a lot of torque strain on a 6spd transaxel.




Yet, manual transmissions hold up to the torque way better than automatics. I love the 6 speed in my TDI and with a tune it is handling over 340 ft lbs of tq for many miles with a super light pedal feel. The DSG's in the VW need a reflash to handle the added torque when tuned. The strong 6 speeds do not.

I think this is Chev's biggest blunder. It's a cool car and I hope it does well but you want to compete with VW's market share, you have to offer a manual transmission.


Agree 110% Diesel owners are more savvy to lifecycle cost, and ATs are a MAJOR liability.


Not necessarily, altough I used to think this as well.
A good AT with any reasonable maintenance and reasonable driving habits can last as long as the engine or the car.
For example, the old MB four speed autos found in your 123s seem to last about forever.
With a stick, clutch replacement is more a matter of when than if and can be quite costly.
There is also the potential for having to deal with leaking master and slave clutch release cylinders.
Been there, done both.
Unless the automatic in this car is junk, it will likely lead a very long life.
 
Has VW fixed their DMF's? Mine broke and I had it proactively replaced at 249kmiles, to prevent it from grenading and doing damage. Cheaper than a rebuilt automatic transmission, but hardly free either. Flip side is, reading about the 4spd auto in the Corolla's. Rarely do they fail, but I don't think they are the most fuel efficent of things either.
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: regal55
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
I rented a Cruze LTZ and it was a great car.

Will this diesel Cruze be available with 6 speed manual trans ?



Doubt it, a lot of torque strain on a 6spd transaxel.

I had a '85 1.6L VW Diesel Jetta. Light, amazing handling. The definition of a momentum car and got 50 mpg on the highway. But this Cruze is more like the Mercedes 300D.

One of the biggest selling point of a diesel engine is longevity.

GM should drop this engine as is in a small pickup and also cut the displacement by 0.5L and drop it in a lightened sonic with a 6 speed. Those would be two interesting buys.



Toyota sells the Avensis here in Germany with a 2.2 turbo diesel and 6 spd manual box in a loaded car.
The 6 spd can handle it with no problem.

http://www.adac.de/_ext/itr/tests/Autote...T_Executive.pdf


In Europe, you can get the Opel/Vauxhall Astra with the 2.0CDTi 16v and a Manual 6-speed but not the Cruze. To get a manual diesel Cruze you have to get the 1.7.

GM just thinks that Cruze drivers will be too stupid to shift for themselves with a 2.0
 
Originally Posted By: supton
Has VW fixed their DMF's? Mine broke and I had it proactively replaced at 249kmiles, to prevent it from grenading and doing damage. Cheaper than a rebuilt automatic transmission, but hardly free either. Flip side is, reading about the 4spd auto in the Corolla's. Rarely do they fail, but I don't think they are the most fuel efficent of things either.


Yeah the DMF's aren't having any issues in the newer generation cars like the early-mid 2000's
 
Originally Posted By: FDCG27
Not necessarily, altough I used to think this as well.
A good AT with any reasonable maintenance and reasonable driving habits can last as long as the engine or the car.
For example, the old MB four speed autos found in your 123s seem to last about forever.
With a stick, clutch replacement is more a matter of when than if and can be quite costly.
There is also the potential for having to deal with leaking master and slave clutch release cylinders.
Been there, done both.
Unless the automatic in this car is junk, it will likely lead a very long life.


Big difference between an old slow rwd MB and the 280 ft lb FWD Cruze trans.

Clutches are relatively cheap and when driven properly are almost a lifetime part these days. On commuter TDI's there are many of them with several hundreds of thousands of miles on the stock clutch.

Having to deal with a leaking master/slave cylinder? I'll take my chances.

I'm not driving any car with loads of torque thats FWD that doesn't have 3 pedals.
 
Originally Posted By: jayg
I'm not driving any car with loads of torque thats FWD that doesn't have 3 pedals.


The idiots have spoken in the purchase decisions and in the configuration departments at the manufacturers.

And it looks like were the ones losing out, despite being technically right, IMO.

Why any of these vehicles need 280lb-ft and the associated unobtanium gearboxes and whatnot is kind of beyond me... I guess see my first line.
 
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