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I’m unsure when it becomes “ok” to be unreliable. I mean after 10 years and/or 200k, all cars have some amount of wear. Repairs become expected.

Only vehicle I put 300k on was a VW. Really liked that car… got close with a Camry but last century’s Toyotas were more long lived.
300K is tough to get to. I got over 400K on my Xterra (well I did the first 395K before kid took over). I doubt I will get there again - you have to drive A LOT to get there. My truck is only at 240K and its now 14 Years old.
 
I doubt ANY of those vehicles have anywhere near 400K miles...
What is your hang up on 400k mi? I put twice to three times as much mileage on my motorcycles than I do my 4 wheeled vehicles. My vehicles will age into their 30s before they accrue 400k mi. Very few vehicles ever make it to that mileage and you’re here bragging about a 2017 vehicle like it’s going to go that distance with 100% certainty on the same engine the vehicle started with. Statistically speaking, it’ll get wrecked well before that mileage. Nothing in life is certain. I’m trying to figure out just what it is you’re here to prove or just a whole lot of really bizarre trolling or humble bragging.

I’ll just drop these here…
540,000 MB E-320
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...age-on-the-windshield-scares-them-248594.html

542,000mi BMW E39 M5 (WAY more fun than a chintzy Corolla for that mileage)
https://carbuzz.com/news/hero-drives-e39-bmw-m5-well-over-500000-miles/

Porsche 356C for over ONE MILLION MILES
https://www.topspeed.com/story-of-the-million-mile-porsche/

70% of all Porsches ever made are still on the road today…
https://www.hagerty.com/media/autom...dly points out that,and 944s out of junkyards.



Those dang German cars sure can’t make mileage. 🤣
 
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Before getting a Subi and Chevy I had 5 or 6 VWs, getting old can’t remember. But all got to 250k-300K miles before donating them running. I didn’t get one when I got the Subi and Chevy because 1)didn’t like the Tiguan and 2) the dealership sold and wasn’t making deals. My son got a GTI just before they sold 95000 miles, and a 2025 Tiguan (traveled 28 miles to another dealer).
 
Before getting a Subi and Chevy I had 5 or 6 VWs, getting old can’t remember. But all got to 250k-300K miles before donating them running. I didn’t get one when I got the Subi and Chevy because 1)didn’t like the Tiguan and 2) the dealership sold and wasn’t making deals. My son got a GTI just before they sold 95000 miles, and a 2025 Tiguan (traveled 28 miles to another dealer).
Those GTI’s are sweet looking little hatches. I was seriously considering one just so I could row gears again!
 
Paddle shifting 😁
It’s got a fun of its own for sure. I used the paddles on our Odyssey frequently. I grew up rowing my own gears and miss it terribly, so I was specifically looking at vehicles with manual transmissions and the GTI stayed near the top of my list for a long time.
 
What is your hang up on 400k mi? I put twice to three times as much mileage on my motorcycles than I do my 4 wheeled vehicles. My vehicles will age into their 30s before they accrue 400k mi. Very few vehicles ever make it to that mileage and you’re here bragging about a 2017 vehicle like it’s going to go that distance with 100% certainty on the same engine the vehicle started with. Statistically speaking, it’ll get wrecked well before that mileage. Nothing in life is certain. I’m trying to figure out just what it is you’re here to prove or just a whole lot of really bizarre trolling or humble bragging.

I’ll just drop these here…
540,000 MB E-320
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...age-on-the-windshield-scares-them-248594.html

542,000mi BMW E39 M5 (WAY more fun than a chintzy Corolla for that mileage)
https://carbuzz.com/news/hero-drives-e39-bmw-m5-well-over-500000-miles/

Porsche 356C for over ONE MILLION MILES
https://www.topspeed.com/story-of-the-million-mile-porsche/

70% of all Porsches ever made are still on the road today…
https://www.hagerty.com/media/automotive-history/when-porsche-asked-if-a-car-could-live-forever/#:~:text=Porsche proudly points out that,and 944s out of junkyards.



Those dang German cars sure can’t make mileage. 🤣
It makes no sense given something like less than 1% of vehicles make it even to 300K. Its mostly because there owners don't drive enough. Average vehicle is 13,500 per year currently - so 400K would on average be 30 years.

The few 1M mile vehicles you see are usually a courier or something where there always running / doing 150K a year.

The only reason I got the Xterra so high was a whole lot of work miles. Had I known I would be driving that much I likely would have bought something else - but it worked out for me.
 
300K is tough to get to. I got over 400K on my Xterra (well I did the first 395K before kid took over). I doubt I will get there again - you have to drive A LOT to get there. My truck is only at 240K and its now 14 Years old.
Before I retired I was putting 2500 to 3K miles on my Corolla every month. I did that for 8 years. It's not hard to do driving that many miles per month...
 
What is your hang up on 400k mi? I put twice to three times as much mileage on my motorcycles than I do my 4 wheeled vehicles. My vehicles will age into their 30s before they accrue 400k mi. Very few vehicles ever make it to that mileage and you’re here bragging about a 2017 vehicle like it’s going to go that distance with 100% certainty on the same engine the vehicle started with. Statistically speaking, it’ll get wrecked well before that mileage. Nothing in life is certain. I’m trying to figure out just what it is you’re here to prove or just a whole lot of really bizarre trolling or humble bragging.

I’ll just drop these here…
540,000 MB E-320
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...age-on-the-windshield-scares-them-248594.html

542,000mi BMW E39 M5 (WAY more fun than a chintzy Corolla for that mileage)
https://carbuzz.com/news/hero-drives-e39-bmw-m5-well-over-500000-miles/

Porsche 356C for over ONE MILLION MILES
https://www.topspeed.com/story-of-the-million-mile-porsche/

70% of all Porsches ever made are still on the road today…
https://www.hagerty.com/media/automotive-history/when-porsche-asked-if-a-car-could-live-forever/#:~:text=Porsche proudly points out that,and 944s out of junkyards.



Those dang German cars sure can’t make mileage. 🤣
It was a point I made to show why I like Japanese vehicles. They're inexpensive to maintain, and they last a long time. I realize the German vehicles are more driver friendly, but that quality isn't high on my priority list. Reliability is number one, with cost of maintenance being number two. German vehicles simply don't make the cut with these two priorities...
 
Before I retired I was putting 2500 to 3K miles on my Corolla every month. I did that for 8 years. It's not hard to do driving that many miles per month...
8*12*3000 is still not even 300,000 miles let alone 400,000. Its only 288,000. If you sold your 288,000 mile 8 year old Camry to the next guy that did 13,500 a year the car would still be 20 years old before it hit 400K miles.

I did more than 3000 miles a month often with my Xterra, but that is an extremely small portion of the population. If the average is 13,500 then the first deviation likely is around 18,000. So less than 1/6th of the population even drive 18000 miles a year, or 1500 a month.

Obsessing over 400,000 miles is silly - no OEM designs for it because such a small number of people get to it.
 
It makes no sense given something like less than 1% of vehicles make it even to 300K. Its mostly because there owners don't drive enough. Average vehicle is 13,500 per year currently - so 400K would on average be 30 years.

The few 1M mile vehicles you see are usually a courier or something where there always running / doing 150K a year.

The only reason I got the Xterra so high was a whole lot of work miles. Had I known I would be driving that much I likely would have bought something else - but it worked out for me.
I'm not expecting my next vehicle to go 400K. I only posted that as a reference. Most people never own a vehicle with that many miles, or have even seen one. My mechanic says my Corolla has the highest mileage of ANY vehicle that's been in his shop...
 
8*12*3000 is still not even 300,000 miles let alone 400,000. Its only 288,000. If you sold your 288,000 mile 8 year old Camry to the next guy that did 13,500 a year the car would still be 20 years old before it hit 400K miles.

I did more than 3000 miles a month often with my Xterra, but that is an extremely small portion of the population. If the average is 13,500 then the first deviation likely is around 18,000. So less than 1/6th of the population even drive 18000 miles a year, or 1500 a month.

Obsessing over 400,000 miles is silly - no OEM designs for it because such a small number of people get to it.
I didn't mention the 148K the car had on it when purchased, or the mileage it's rolled up since I retired 5 years ago...I'm still driving it...current mileage 458K...
 
So thats the point. Its a fluke. A combination of the right drive and the right car and no collisions.

Buy a lotto ticket!
The only luck involved is no accidents. The rest was due to excellent build quality, and good maintenance habits...
 
So I'm guessing you're not going enlighten me on what your point was?
All cars break. You indicated that maintenance prevents that (? I think that was your point?) so the question becomes, why not just buy something and keep something on the side for inevitable repairs? All cars suffer breakage. There is nothing with a zero percent risk.
 
All cars break. You indicated that maintenance prevents that (? I think that was your point?) so the question becomes, why not just buy something and keep something on the side for inevitable repairs? All cars suffer breakage. There is nothing with a zero percent risk.
Maintenance minimizes breakage, but it doesn't prevent it. I'm not looking for a vehicle that doesn't break, those don't exist. I'm looking for something that breaks the least, and costs the least to repair when it does break...German vehicles are about as far away from that as it gets...
 
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