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Looks like a standard model is 5800lbs for an Escalade
Considering a small SUV
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We like our Rav4 also. I thought I would hate it but I very much like it. I hope the new design makes the current generation used prices a little less money - because I am unwilling to pay more for the same car used I paid $29K for new.
It will be nice to have a FWD Rav4 hybrid finally however. I bet gas mileage on it will be phenomenal.
Only if they lower it, maybe put on more skinny tires. I realize the rear motor adds weight and drag, but--pure guess on my part--it probably is on the low side. I know every little bit counts but I have to wonder if the other bits count more.
Looks like current Prius FWD is rated 56mpg highway while AWD drops this to 50mpg? I guess that's a 10% difference, so that'd argue against my thoughts. If we use that single point of data, perhaps a FWD RAV4 hybrid would be 10% better?
I would guess 5%. Which is to a degree meaningful long term, and also should be lower up front cost and lower long term maintenance costs. Not to mention current generation uses a connector for that rear motor they did have problems with. All around I might consider a FWD Rav4 hybrid, I would not have considered the AWD likely.
Its not just weight - the hubs don't disengage so your rotating mass is more.
As for aero, with the underbody panels the increased ground clearance doesn't affect things as much as it used to. Some still, but not as much.
Either way, for me I wouldn't buy a AWD city car. I have no need for one. I do have a real 4WD in the driveway if ever I do.
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Snow tires is probably the most logical choice. Drove my Corolla with Blizzaks across most of IL and IN heading home through the winter storm we had today. 5” + of snow most of the way and IDOT, INDOT, ODOT, MDOT plow truck drivers were all apparently not at work. I think I was the only small car/sedan along with semis and brodozers in the left lane passing others going 25-30mph in the right lane.
What I’ve found helpful is to just load up the winter rims/tires and have discount tire do the swap twice a year. Since the Blizzaks are on their own rims, the wheels swap in the Spring and Fall are free at DT. FWIW, these Blizzaks have been on the Corolla since 2018 and they’re about 30% worn. I put them on late Nov and take them off late March/early April.
Of course, you’d still have the issue of storage as you mention. Maybe a spare corner in the garage if space is available?
I had a Toyota Corolla the transmission went out at 60k miles it happens rare but happens
DId this Corolla have a CVT?
No 3 speed auto
I'm surprised you don't have the RAV4 on the list...probably the most reliable small SUV out there...
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There's more to buying a car than just reliability. Comfort is a big one, especially if you're driving a lot.
Are you saying Rav4s aren't comfortable? I personally don't know as I've never driven one. I do know they're reliable though...
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For us, it was not, no. Seats were overly stiff and just felt cramped in the driver seat.
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We had all better get used to keeping and buying older vehicles, because these many of the new ones are crap. I own a '12 CR-V and a '24 CX-5. I don't know why the OP would go parallel to a newer CR-V with basically the same failure-prone engine as his Accord - and a CVT to boot. My choice would be the CX-5.
That is part of my reluctance with the CRV.
It looks like Honda sorted the engine issues...maybe. The (former?) head gasket issue with some 1.5T kinda weird me out.
Having a tiny coolant passage between 2 cylinders leaves little surface area for good head gasket sealing.
And of course, the concern about cabin noise. I would probably have to pony up for the allegedly quieter 2025+ model.
In my area, CRVs are several thousand more than similar class vehicles...a bit of a turn off.
The CRV drives really nice though. It has a nice blend of good handling, nice ride and decent acceleration. It doesn't do anything bad other than likely cabin noise.
Ticks several boxes for me.
Hybrid isn't off the table.
Looks like many systems are well-sorted.
It would be almost solely for the improved acceleration, because ROI in fuel cost probably wouldn't be fully realized.
Annnnnd, yes, extra systems are still concerning.
AND some don't have a spare tire! 100% deal breaker.
SO many great choices...I haven't had a chance to test drive a single car since starting this thread. Life happens.
I may be able to get a few in this week... hopefully.
I believe the market for buyers has improved, and may get better...
Bob
It looks like Honda sorted the engine issues...maybe. The (former?) head gasket issue with some 1.5T kinda weird me out.
Having a tiny coolant passage between 2 cylinders leaves little surface area for good head gasket sealing.
And of course, the concern about cabin noise. I would probably have to pony up for the allegedly quieter 2025+ model.
In my area, CRVs are several thousand more than similar class vehicles...a bit of a turn off.
The CRV drives really nice though. It has a nice blend of good handling, nice ride and decent acceleration. It doesn't do anything bad other than likely cabin noise.
Ticks several boxes for me.
Hybrid isn't off the table.
Looks like many systems are well-sorted.
It would be almost solely for the improved acceleration, because ROI in fuel cost probably wouldn't be fully realized.
Annnnnd, yes, extra systems are still concerning.
AND some don't have a spare tire! 100% deal breaker.
SO many great choices...I haven't had a chance to test drive a single car since starting this thread. Life happens.
I may be able to get a few in this week... hopefully.
I believe the market for buyers has improved, and may get better...
Bob
The guy in this forum who does the car buying, or searching service who was mentioned before told me to stay away from the CR-Vs with the 2.4 engine after model year 2011 (I don't want a turbo model or a CVT). He said the 2.4 had oil consumption problems after 2011, and those were also the engines that had what's called the two four rattle...I am now leaning more towards a CX-5...
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The 'two-four rattle'....? This is the VTC actuator rattle, and it's not a deal breaker. It's fixable with a rebuild kit from a Canadian company, a timing chain tensioner, and/or a timing chain. There is an updated actuator, but they end up rattling too. In many cases, it's just a spring replacement away from being resolved. The 2007-11 CR-V's are notorious for rust and the AC compressors going bad, and they still use hydraulic power steering. The 2012-14 before the appearance update with the Earth Dreams K24 and CVT are the best CR-V's ever made. Someone here has one with over 600K miles on the original drivetrain. Mine is about to turn 300K miles. Any oil consumption can be remedied as well, and if it can't be, the engine (and transmission) is worth replacing with a used one from Japan.
CX-30 too small?
2010-11 had the piston ring / oil consumption issues. 2012-14 had VTC issue. Both have plenty of examples running past 200k miles.
The 5 speed autos in the early years were rough on reliability.
CX5 in the first gen imo was awful with back seat space especially compared to the Accord the OP has. I think the automotive industry hit peak reliability in the early-mid 2000s. So if you’re really looking for the last bullet proof CRV that was maybe MY2003 or MY2004. Would you buy a car today without side airbags or a car that’s over 20 years old for a long commute or to haul your family (both are deal breakers imo)?
Blanket statement that a Honda after 2011 is something to stay away from is silly imo.
