Charged By Dogs on Bicycle (Different Dogs)

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Originally Posted By: John_K
I am recovering from a major illness, and as part of my recovery the doctor wants me to walk around the neighborhood. This is exactly the scenario that scares me about walking.

John


See my above post, walking generally doesn't upset dogs as much as fast-movers...
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Some people oughtta have a concealed carry on their person and in Tennessee it shouldn't be a problem.


How would one conceal a Glock in spandex? "Excuse me sir, but is that your .40 caliber or are you just glad so see me?"
 
John, I used to live in a rural area frequented by road cyclists. Did you ever consider getting a high end mountain bike and maybe putting smooth or hybrid tires on it for the road and mixed terrain? I think you'd have more versatility and would have the same workout and training, if not the speed, of a road bike in areas with poor road shoulders.

You did the correct thing by standing your ground against those dogs, but if you had a MTB, you could have easily swung around and gone back downhill without worrying about staying on the pavement.

I think you are much better off with a high end mountain bike in your neck of the woods. I think you might be better off investing in a more rugged bike than a gun at this point...
 
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Some people oughtta have a concealed carry on their person and in Tennessee it shouldn't be a problem.


How would one conceal a Glock in spandex? "Excuse me sir, but is that your .40 caliber or are you just glad so see me?"


Our handgun carry laws don't require concealment.

Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
John, I used to live in a rural area frequented by road cyclists. Did you ever consider getting a high end mountain bike and maybe putting smooth or hybrid tires on it for the road and mixed terrain? I think you'd have more versatility and would have the same workout and training, if not the speed, of a road bike in areas with poor road shoulders.

You did the correct thing by standing your ground against those dogs, but if you had a MTB, you could have easily swung around and gone back downhill without worrying about staying on the pavement.

I think you are much better off with a high end mountain bike in your neck of the woods. I think you might be better off investing in a more rugged bike than a gun at this point...


I actually have a mountain bike (rode it today, off-road), and I appreciate your sentiments. But I fail to see what the type of bicycle has to do with anything. I could have turned around on the road bike just as quickly... In this situation, it's possible that I might have gotten away, but I was pretty close to the dogs by the time it became obvious what was happening. Didn't want to take the chance of being bitten again, like I was a few weeks ago (and, this time it would have been much worse).
 
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: john_pifer
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
I tend to blame the owners personally regardless of the breed. In this specific situation we have a pack of German Shepherds dangerously running free. They are protective by nature. Most good dogs are. Any breed would act this way if they weren't tied up, pinned up, disciplined etc.

Once again.. It's the owners fault. Banning breeds won't stop the poor owners behavior. As a gun enthusiast, I'm surprised the OP doesn't comprehend this.


I was really kinda poking fun at the overzealous pit bull people. It doesn't take much to get them riled up.

Kidding aside, though, you can't say breed has nothing to do with aggression in a dog. Certain breeds (Rottweilers, Pit Bulls, Chows, Dobermans, Shepherds, for example) have had aggression bred into them over decades or even centuries. There's a reason that the breeds I just mentioned account for the vast majority of attacks.

While it is true that a good, conscientious owner who initiates an obedience training program can and most often does make a huge difference, nurture can never fully overcome nature. Along those same lines, no animal can ever be fully trusted.

I say all of this as a life-long dog owner and dog lover.


I can honestly say I have never heard of aggression being breed into a dog. Maybe if the dog was born in a puppy mill or something of the sort to be sold to a pet store? Those are never good choices when wanting to pick out a pet. I could call those genetic disorders.





Then, with all due respect, you don't know much about dog breeding, or genetics in general. And, puppy mills and pet stores have nothing to do with it.

Do I really need to get into a genetics lesson? Take 2 dogs (or people) with like characteristics, breed them, and the result is a litter of puppies in which these characteristics are amplified.

The breeds I mentioned earlier (pit bull terriers, rottweilers, doberman pincers, chows, mastiffs, shepherds, and others) have had strength and aggression artificially selected into their genes through selective breeding for centuries, for the purposes of defense, intimidation and protection (as well as dog fighting).

Why do you think these breeds have the reputation they do?

Sure, any dog is capable of aggression, but certain breeds are known for it, for good reason. IT'S BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN BRED TO BE AGGRESSIVE!

Now, you can say it's the owners' fault all you want...and, I agree with you that how the dog is raised plays a major part. But, to deny that certain breeds are more aggressive than others is just naive.
 
Originally Posted By: cashmoney
People that need to own dogs large and powerful enough to kill other humans as pets have some kind of mental defect. Pit bulls, Rottweilers, and the like - these breeds should be banned and very likely will be at some point in a more educated and civilized future.



BULL!

I grew up in a house with two Rottweilers. They were not bad dogs. Smart, well trained and well tempered. They were show dogs- paraded around a ring with other dogs and a judge feeling their bodies, looking at their eyes, opening their mouths to check gums, teeth and on and on. Not one problem. They were wonderful family animals when they weren't in the ring.

The problem isn't just with size- in fact if you search out dog bite cases, you'll find that in the top 25, Border Collies, Collies and Australian Cattle dogs are in there too.

If there is a dog problem, it's owner related.

I'll agree that there is genetics in play, but where do they get it from? Poor breeding practices. Growing up, my mom was very outspoken on that topic. From unselective breeding comes bone structure problems (hip displasia, under bite or over bite, etc), illnesses (cancer, respiratory problems, etc), temperament issues and so on. All traits can be minimized by not breeding a dog with a known issue. The problem is Joe Blow moron dog owner isn't smart enough or is too greedy to not do that.
 
Originally Posted By: The_Eric
I'll agree that there is genetics in play, but where do they get it from? Poor breeding practices.


This was my point in my previous post. Poor breeding practices.. Couldn't think of the term. This is mostly associated with pet stores and puppy mills. But definitely other breeders as well.
 
Originally Posted By: cashmoney
People that need to own dogs large and powerful enough to kill other humans as pets have some kind of mental defect. Pit bulls, Rottweilers, and the like - these breeds should be banned and very likely will be at some point in a more educated and civilized future.

Not all big and powerful dogs are mean, or are bred to be that way. Dogs like Newfie's (and St. Bernard's) are gentle giants. Bred to work and love, not fight or intimidate. But you can certainly count on them to protect themselves or their family if they need to.
 
The problem with inbreeding (in any species) is that the undesirable traits are magnified just as strongly as the positive or desirable traits.

A well-known example of problems caused by inbreeding is the multitude of genetic disorders among the Ashkenazi Jews (the Eastern European Jewish diaspora). Breast cancer rates are much higher among Ashkenazi women, as well as the disorders discussed on this website:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Health/genetics.html
 
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