Castrol TWS 10w60 - Where to buy in Canada?

[JohnAnthony]

Originally Posted By: addyguy
OVERK1LL went with M1 0W-40 in his M5, BTW.


0w40, xw50, & 10w60 are not going to make a difference unless you actually track the car

having used all three weights myself and looking at other owner's oil analysis there's pretty much no popular brand oil that will give you a bad UOA... but with the S62 we're on the look out for bearing wear now

there's been a spike of engines failing now that we're far out of warranty and we're yet to find someone who maintained a extensive UOA log.

the S62 reports copper anywhere from 1ppm to 1Xppm; the median being closer to 5ppm regardless of oil unless:
-you drive in hot weather with thin oil
-& in cold weather with thick oil

 

[OVERKILL]

I find it funny that the guy with the highest mileage S62, no new bearings, does not, and has not used TWS in it

 

[JohnAnthony]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
I find it funny that the guy with the highest mileage S62, no new bearings, does not, and has not used TWS in it

any links?

quite a few people are approaching 300,000 miles with one guy @ 367,000 miles but no much info from him:

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39-m5-...tml#post2253632

 

[OVERKILL]

John:

It was one of the oil threads (of which there are MANY! LOL!)

The one guy, himiler, I know DID use TWS, but doesn't now. He's got the original rod bearings:

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39-m5-e52-z8-discussion/190847-who-has-most-miles-8.html

Originally Posted By: himiler
298,005 miles from new. no rod bearings before anyone asks. switched to mobil 1 10w60 about 10k miles ago - uses half the oil it did before.


I'm am going to try and find the other guy's post.

He made it in one of the oil threads where the virtues of TWS were being debated and he specifically mentioned that he had one of, if not the highest mileage cars in the club, and was not a TWS user.

 

[JohnAnthony]

i thought you might be referring to him, yeah he switched to M1 10W60 recently, but he was on TWS from the beginning

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39-m5-e52-z8-discussion/202633-300-000-miles-finally.html

other than the guy i linked to himler is 2nd - he had a couple of people trailing him by ~10,000 miles;
-one guy had an accident with his car and the engine is now in a drift car E39
-the other guy just doesn't update his mileage [his mileage was 1/2 on 5w30 & 1/2 on 10w60]

 

[OVERKILL]

Yeah, I'm not having any luck finding the poster from the oil thread at this point

Did you see the thread about the British bloke with 500K on his?

 

[JohnAnthony]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Yeah, I'm not having any luck finding the poster from the oil thread at this point

Did you see the thread about the British bloke with 500K on his?



nope

 

[OVERKILL]

Ahhhh, it was in one of the high mileage threads, somebody mentioned seeing a car with absolutely insane mileage. He isn't a member though.

 

[jaj]

Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Leonardo629 - M1 0W-40 is the correct Mobil lubricant for your car. It will perform very well

...

The 10W-60 viscosity fits into a unique and small package of BMW engines. Accordingly it should only be used where mandated by BMW - perhaps these "M" engines: S39,S54,S65 and S85 are some!


Leonardo629's M3 has the S65 engine and TWS is the only approved oil for that vehicle. It's all I ever used in mine when I had it.

Mobil 1 0w-40 will work fine in just about any BMW "M" engine, but if you ask BMW North America, they'll tell you that TWS is the only oil for the S62, S54, S65 and S85 engines.

There's a quote earlier about BMW recommending 5w-30 for the S62 (the E39 M5 engine) in Germany. While that may be correct, BWMNA has dropped the lower viscosity oil and now only recommends TWS for that engine (contrary to the owner's manual).

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: jaj
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Leonardo629 - M1 0W-40 is the correct Mobil lubricant for your car. It will perform very well

...

The 10W-60 viscosity fits into a unique and small package of BMW engines. Accordingly it should only be used where mandated by BMW - perhaps these "M" engines: S39,S54,S65 and S85 are some!


Leonardo629's M3 has the S65 engine and TWS is the only approved oil for that vehicle. It's all I ever used in mine when I had it.

Mobil 1 0w-40 will work fine in just about any BMW "M" engine, but if you ask BMW North America, they'll tell you that TWS is the only oil for the S62, S54, S65 and S85 engines.

There's a quote earlier about BMW recommending 5w-30 for the S62 (the E39 M5 engine) in Germany. While that may be correct, BWMNA has dropped the lower viscosity oil and now only recommends TWS for that engine (contrary to the owner's manual).


Strange, because BMW gave me the TSB last year indicating that my car is to have their BMW 5w30????

 

[JohnAnthony]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

Strange, because BMW gave me the TSB last year indicating that my car is to have their BMW 5w30????


check the date on it & post it because if they reverted back to 5W30 the e39 m5 community is going to get a kick out of it

i'm pretty sure jaj is referring to the BMWNA bulleting stamped 2008:
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Owner/SyntheticEngineOils.aspx

the 5W30 recommendation has some sketchy history behind it:
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39-m5-...tml#post2211329

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: JohnAnthony
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

Strange, because BMW gave me the TSB last year indicating that my car is to have their BMW 5w30????


check the date on it & post it because if they reverted back to 5W30 the e39 m5 community is going to get a kick out of it

i'm pretty sure jaj is referring to the BMWNA bulleting stamped 2008:
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Owner/SyntheticEngineOils.aspx

the 5W30 recommendation has some sketchy history behind it:
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39-m5-...tml#post2211329



Thanks for the links

I've read about every bloody oil thread on M5board including that one, it seems to be some sort of never ending topic.

I'll find that sheet and check the date on it, as you now have me intrigued.

-Chris

 

[r34dy2fly]

Anxious to see that UOA myself for that S65. I plan on keeping the car for a VERY long time. The car gets driven once a week so I'm never going to be able to add up the mileage for an oil change.

 

[r34dy2fly]

Just to add, since I've owned the car, I've never once had it drink a single ounce of oil or so the oil meter tells me. I don't drive it often but when I do, it gets a few spirited runs with oil temps hovering somewhere around 220F. I don't drive the car often nor at the track so it does worry me during the winter time.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: JohnAnthony
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

Strange, because BMW gave me the TSB last year indicating that my car is to have their BMW 5w30????


check the date on it & post it because if they reverted back to 5W30 the e39 m5 community is going to get a kick out of it

i'm pretty sure jaj is referring to the BMWNA bulleting stamped 2008:
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Owner/SyntheticEngineOils.aspx

the 5W30 recommendation has some sketchy history behind it:
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39-m5-...tml#post2211329



Found it

Dated June, 2000.

However, it is from BMW Canada, not BMW USA.... So there's the rub. I know BMW Germany still recommends (or did the last time I checked) the LL-01 oils like M1 0w40 for the post 03/00 cars.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: JohnAnthony
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

Strange, because BMW gave me the TSB last year indicating that my car is to have their BMW 5w30????


check the date on it & post it because if they reverted back to 5W30 the e39 m5 community is going to get a kick out of it

i'm pretty sure jaj is referring to the BMWNA bulleting stamped 2008:
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Owner/SyntheticEngineOils.aspx

the 5W30 recommendation has some sketchy history behind it:
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39-m5-...tml#post2211329



Found it

Dated June, 2000.

However, it is from BMW Canada, not BMW USA.... So there's the rub. I know BMW Germany still recommends (or did the last time I checked) the LL-01 oils like M1 0w40 for the post 03/00 cars.


I've just contacted BMW Canada regarding the discrepancy between the US and Canadian recommendations and will post what I hear back.

-Chris

 

[JohnAnthony]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL


I've just contacted BMW Canada regarding the discrepancy between the US and Canadian recommendations and will post what I hear back.

-Chris


since your document is dated 2000

it's likely the original recommendation for 5w30 and anything with a later date supersedes it

i've contact BMW AG myself in regards to oil capacity and i was referred to BMW NA who referred me to my local dealers, all of which had a different answer

i suspect if you do get an answer that it will be the document posted on BMWUSA where all M-engines up to the E9X & E6X M3/5/6 are to use castrol TWS

at this point it doesn't really matter what weight you use
-people who really ring the E39 M5 out know exactly what oils work
-the average owner is more likely to just hit bad luck w/rod bearings regardless of TWS

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: JohnAnthony
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL


I've just contacted BMW Canada regarding the discrepancy between the US and Canadian recommendations and will post what I hear back.

-Chris


since your document is dated 2000

it's likely the original recommendation for 5w30 and anything with a later date supersedes it

i've contact BMW AG myself in regards to oil capacity and i was referred to BMW NA who referred me to my local dealers, all of which had a different answer

i suspect if you do get an answer that it will be the document posted on BMWUSA where all M-engines up to the E9X & E6X M3/5/6 are to use castrol TWS

at this point it doesn't really matter what weight you use
-people who really ring the E39 M5 out know exactly what oils work
-the average owner is more likely to just hit bad luck w/rod bearings regardless of TWS

Good call on the response:

Originally Posted By: BMW Canada


Thank you for contacting BMW Canada. We appreciate your inquiry.

Unfortunately, we do not have technical information available at our location. Please contact your local authorized BMW retailer for technical assistance regarding the oil recommendation for your specific vehicle. Your BMW retailer will be happy to assist with your inquiry.

If you have any further comments, please reply to this email or contact the Customer Interaction Centre at 1-800-567-2691. Again, thank you for contacting BMW Canada.


Should I bother contacting a dealer?

My concern is that there is a reason that the recommendation in the USA changed back.

 

[JohnAnthony]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL


Should I bother contacting a dealer?

My concern is that there is a reason that the recommendation in the USA changed back.


when called each dealer gave me a different capacity and in a different unit, the dealers just wing it when it comes to older cars - they have all the service bulletins and TIS instructions but they're in a position to be free of any fault so they literally don't bother


yes the recommendation changed because extended maintenance ran out on all cars by 2008 [maybe not 2003 cars]

if you looks at the TIS:
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39-m5-...tml#post2211329
it gives no mechanical reasons that required the original switch from TWS -to-> 5w30

all changes made to the engines:
>piston rings/skirts
>vanos accumulator
>upgraded vanos
are noise and consumption related and have nothing to do with oil compatibility

>the rings reduced consumption [see tis]
>the vanos accumulator reduced start up noise
>the upgraded vanos was just the solenoid boards not the mechanical gears [ http://realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=DE91&mospid=47550&btnr=11_2674&hg=11&fg=15 ]

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: JohnAnthony
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL


Should I bother contacting a dealer?

My concern is that there is a reason that the recommendation in the USA changed back.


when called each dealer gave me a different capacity and in a different unit, the dealers just wing it when it comes to older cars - they have all the service bulletins and TIS instructions but they're in a position to be free of any fault so they literally don't bother


yes the recommendation changed because extended maintenance ran out on all cars by 2008 [maybe not 2003 cars]

if you looks at the TIS:
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39-m5-...tml#post2211329
it gives no mechanical reasons that required the original switch from TWS -to-> 5w30

all changes made to the engines:
>piston rings/skirts
>vanos accumulator
>upgraded vanos
are noise and consumption related and have nothing to do with oil compatibility

>the rings reduced consumption [see tis]
>the vanos accumulator reduced start up noise
>the upgraded vanos was just the solenoid boards not the mechanical gears [ http://realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=DE91&mospid=47550&btnr=11_2674&hg=11&fg=15 ]



My copy of TIS indicates the following:

S62 up to 02/2000: TWS 10w60
S62 post 02/2000: BMW 5w30

Date on the document is 03/2006

This thing is as clear as mud.