2025 BMW M60i (S68 Engine) LL-01 vs LL-01 FE

There could be a variety of reasons. I guess I've given up on increasingly goofy oil recommendations by some manufacturers, regardless of what they are. For me I go by what I know about SAPS level, HT/HS and an appropriate winter rating. Manufacturer recommendations are so clogged up with regulatory requirements that I think they have lost sight of what's best for the engine.

But that's just me. If someone doesn't feel comfortable doing that then I'd default what the book says.
BMW is traditionally sloppy when it comes to oil recommendations. They will put what is their go to approval for that engine, and that is it. MB will gove more options and explain what each option brings to the table. Toyota will simply say: “if heavy duty use, use thicker oil.”
 
is there a car company to say if warmer climate ,use thicker oil? i have a conversation with a guy that claims there is.i disagree and asked him to post one,but he only posted a link from total that says that:
https://lubricants.totalenergies.com/consumers/maintenancetips/Oil-viscosity-and-oil-grades

Measuring engine oil viscosity

The Society of Automotive Engineers developed a scale for both engine (motor oil grades) and transmission oils.

Viscosity is notated using the common classification “XW-XX”. The number preceding the “W” (winter) rates the oil’s flow (viscosity) at zero degrees Fahrenheit (-17.8 degrees Celsius). The lower the number, the less the oil thickens in cold weather.

The numbers after the “XW” indicate viscosity at 100 degrees Celsius and represent the oil’s resistance to thinning at high temperatures.

For instance, oil with a 5W-30 grade thickens less than oil with a 10W-30 grade in cold weather. Oil with a 5W-30 grade thins out more quickly at high temperatures as compared to oils with a 5W-40 grade.

During winter and for cars used in cooler regions, your engine will benefit from using oil with low winter viscosity. During summer and in hotter regions, your engine will benefit more from oil with higher viscosity at 100 degrees Celsius.

When comparing oils, it is important to take into account the location in which the car will be used. Thin oils that are less prone to thickening in low temperatures will help you start your engine more quickly in winter while thick oils that are less prone to thinning in hot temperatures will help your engine perform better in summer. As a result, 0W-20 and 5W-30 oils have been developed for colder climates while 15W-40 and 20W-50 oils have been developed with hotter climates in mind.
 
BMW is traditionally sloppy when it comes to oil recommendations. They will put what is their go to approval for that engine, and that is it. MB will gove more options and explain what each option brings to the table. Toyota will simply say: “if heavy duty use, use thicker oil.”
and valvoline also suports that climate relation with viscosity:
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en-eur/oil-selection-why-is-oil-viscosity-important/
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is there a car company to say if warmer climate ,use thicker oil? i have a conversation with a guy that claims there is.i disagree and asked him to post one,but he only posted a link from total that says that:
https://lubricants.totalenergies.com/consumers/maintenancetips/Oil-viscosity-and-oil-grades
I don't believe so. Any modern car with a proper cooling system will maintain the ideal engine core temperature under all reasonable ambient conditions. I see recommendations for thicker oil sometimes in the owners manual of sports cars for track situations, but that is about it.
 
I don't believe so. Any modern car with a proper cooling system will maintain the ideal engine core temperature under all reasonable ambient conditions. I see recommendations for thicker oil sometimes in the owners manual of sports cars for track situations, but that is about it.
Bunch of marketing nonsense.
Half of the US is roasting in the summer in temperatures higher than 40c, and yet, engines are running as of recently 0W8 oils.
even though i agree with you i found an older thread where 2 members ,1 from europe and one from texas that support that guys opinion about hot clima and higher grade :

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/mpm-oil-0w20-are-any-good.367266/
 
even though i agree with you i found an older thread where 2 members ,1 from europe and one from texas that support that guys opinion about hot clima and higher grade :

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/mpm-oil-0w20-are-any-good.367266/
It is ALL about cooling capacity. Driving over Vail Pass at 3,250m above sea level, at 18c is far more challenging for an engine than ANY Texas heat.
I have seen numerous cars here at local track, coming from TX, AZ etc. that have cooling issues, whike they perform fine at local tracks where they live in summer.
So, cooling capacity and design is what determines need for thicker oil. Oil doesn’t know whether it is hot or cold outside.
 
i agree about cooling capacity ..but what do you mean with the design term? design of the cooling system or the engine? can you give an example if it is the engine?
 
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