Understood. BMW isn't recommending LL04 on any ICE outside of EU, so LL04 shouldn't be suitable in countries like Australia.
LL04 is the oil recommended in Australia in manuals. We just went through that discussion. You can find it on this Euro forum.
I read that discussion before. That car has B58TU0, which is suitable for LL04 in many markets. But like you mentioned earlier, Australia has high sulfur levels, so I'm not sure why BMW was recommending LL04 for gasoline engines in Australia
I read that discussion before. That car has B58TU0, which is suitable for LL04 in many markets. But like you mentioned earlier, Australia has high sulfur levels, so I'm not sure why BMW was recommending LL04 for gasoline engines in Australia
BTW, I just checked, LL01FE oils don't have 5W30. Liqui Moly Special Tec B FE 5W-30 doesn't actually have LL01FE approval.
I read that discussion before. That car has B58TU0, which is suitable for LL04 in many markets. But like you mentioned earlier, Australia has high sulfur levels, so I'm not sure why BMW was recommending LL04 for gasoline engines in Australia
BTW, I just checked, LL01FE oils don't have 5W30. Liqui Moly Special Tec B FE 5W-30 doesn't actually have LL01FE approval.
How about now?
You should take a look at the differences between LL04 and LL19fe. LL04 and LL19fe are identical except there's a fuel efficiency component to the approval. Same min hths of 3.5cP.
Good point. See below BMW tech doc about 5W oils on Bx8TU2 engines
if bmw wanted to tell the truth they should mention these tech adjustments.bcs. there arent any ,its all about CAFE, they use the ''tech'' word ,so to be scared and stop using what they dont want,ll04-ll01 oils. if they tell its all about CAFE but you can use ll01 oils then nobody will use fe oils,at least these who read about oils.
That makes zero sense. You can buy 0w-X in LL04 or LL01. Besides, there's a negligible difference between 0w30 and 5w30 in all but the coldest temps.
That's not the only smoke in that document.
We don't have to agree with BMW, and it could be nonsensical, but those engines are not approved for full fat LL-01 or LL-04 either. It is at least logically consistent in that every oil specification approved for those engines is exclusively available in 0W grades. Almost all variants of TU2 have dropped LL-01 and LL-04 checkmarks in TIS and some of them don't even allow LL01FE or LL12FE.
Most likely it is because they are terrified of regulatory action to use the correct term rather than "technical".
Possibly, but I'm not aware of what legal framework would distinguish 0W vs 5W oils within their own spec and if even EPA/CAFE would care so much about the oils recommended in an internal database vs factory fill, manual recommendation, and dealer fill. Those engines without the LL01FE/LL12FE checkmarks are the first using eVanos. I know we assume these are not engineering decisions because 99% of the time they aren't, but this one feels a bit more specific.
Aren't they approved for LL19fe which is essentially identical to LL04 in terms of HTHS but there's some trick FE component to the approval.
Only the V8s, the TU2 4 and 6 cyl engines don’t have LL19FE checked.
Why is it different now than in 2022 though? They are happy to allow the thicker LL19FE oil for the new V8 also. I don’t see any evidence of a worldwide regulatory crackdown.
There could be a variety of reasons. I guess I've given up on increasingly goofy oil recommendations by some manufacturers, regardless of what they are. For me I go by what I know about SAPS level, HT/HS and an appropriate winter rating. Manufacturer recommendations are so clogged up with regulatory requirements that I think they have lost sight of what's best for the engine.
