Mercedes V8 Canada 229.52 or 229.61
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edyvw
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Motul X-Clean 5W40 GEN2
Mobil1 ESP 0W40 X3
Mobil1 ESP 0W40 X4
MB229.61 won't include XW40 as HTHS is 3-3.49. Mostly those are 0W30 oils having HTHS range like typical ILSAC GF-6 0/5W30.
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Please elaborate. Is this a problem with is N51 BMW engines?
edyvw
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No, that is on 2020 and later European models and SOME US models. It is confusing which ones have it and which ones don't.
Go around the back of a MB dealership near the shop entrance and you will find empty M1 0W40 FS and Mobil synthetic ATF drums.
I took a photo with my phone when a service writer wouldn’t sell me a transmission pan gasket. He was gone for about five minutes and said it will be about $250. For a pan gasket I asked? “I hope that you’re not planning to do this yourself! The ATF is a special MB fluid that we don’t sell over the counter.
The MB dealership in Vancouver wouldn’t sell my daughter an oil filter for the same reason.
“What makes you think that your dad is qualified to change the oil on a Mercedes Benz? It takes special training.”
Another time the dealership wanted to charge me $150 to program a replacement key that was already VIN matched to my car. It programmed itself in less than a minute.
So much for upgrading a C240 to a C63AMG. Never again will I darken the doorway of a MB dealership.
As edyvw pointed out to me in a recent thread, 229.51 & .52 are low saps oil which are required if the car has a GPF.
Sufated ash is not an antiwear compound but he advised that I NOT use a low SAPS oil in an MB calling for 229.5 or 229.6.
Here is his post, hopefully it will help:
"Lubrizol also tells you not to compare specifications with each other.
MB229.6? Specifies both? Which ones? MB229.6 and?
In reality, MB 229.51/52 could be used in the US after 01/2017, when we also switched to ULSG. In Europe, MB has been using 229.51 in gas engines since 2009 (in some countries, mostly EU (some not) and Switzerland, Iceland and Norway). But some MB are strictly MB229.5 and cannot use MB229.51. The difference is that with ULSG TBN won't be depleted before 10k OCI. That does not mean MB229.51 "replaces" MB229.5. Both have their place in MB lineup and both are introduced at the same time and both are updated throughout the years with new specifications at the same time.
MB229.6 is ACEA A5 oil. It is Full SAPS (there is MB229.61, which is Low-SAPS oil) and lower HTHS oil than MB229.5. It is basically "energy conserving" oil.
I think at one point, MB had an explanation in the manual on when to use MB229.5 (maximum wear protection), when to use MB229.6. In some, it had an explanation of when to use MB229.51 (maximum wear protection), when MB 229.61 and when MB229.71."
Sufated ash is not an antiwear compound but he advised that I NOT use a low SAPS oil in an MB calling for 229.5 or 229.6.
Here is his post, hopefully it will help:
"Lubrizol also tells you not to compare specifications with each other.
MB229.6? Specifies both? Which ones? MB229.6 and?
In reality, MB 229.51/52 could be used in the US after 01/2017, when we also switched to ULSG. In Europe, MB has been using 229.51 in gas engines since 2009 (in some countries, mostly EU (some not) and Switzerland, Iceland and Norway). But some MB are strictly MB229.5 and cannot use MB229.51. The difference is that with ULSG TBN won't be depleted before 10k OCI. That does not mean MB229.51 "replaces" MB229.5. Both have their place in MB lineup and both are introduced at the same time and both are updated throughout the years with new specifications at the same time.
MB229.6 is ACEA A5 oil. It is Full SAPS (there is MB229.61, which is Low-SAPS oil) and lower HTHS oil than MB229.5. It is basically "energy conserving" oil.
I think at one point, MB had an explanation in the manual on when to use MB229.5 (maximum wear protection), when to use MB229.6. In some, it had an explanation of when to use MB229.51 (maximum wear protection), when MB 229.61 and when MB229.71."
A40 is also a very tough standard.
The QS, Pennzoil LX and Motomaster Euro 0w30s are all repackaged Shell Helix Ultra 0w30. The motomaster is the price leader if you can get it on sale and there isn't a rebate going. You may also want to consider Edge 0w40. It's in my porsche and ecoboost. The helix is in the rest of the cars.
edyvw
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What separates A40 from others is track testing. Otherwise, MB229.5 or MB229.51/52 are the gold standard for respective applications. BMW LL01/04 is also tougher.
A40 will be only available in 40 grade.
