TPT= twin power turbo bmw.
in Europe you can find it in market ,online shops, for 13 euros just like in the US.at stealerships costs around 28.
Castrol Edge 0W30 has BMW LL01 again!
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in Europe you can find it in market ,online shops, for 13 euros just like in the US.at stealerships costs around 28.
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Is BMW TPT in EU now Castrol or is it atill Shell?
they told me that new deal with castrol will begin from new year.they were discussing with another supplier for europe than castrol ,nobody knows whom,but ended up with castrol again.its still shell until the end of the year.
.but i am a little bit suspicious. recently they replaced the blue bottle with a new design and colours slightly different, usually they do that when new supplier comes.but on the other hand its still API SN and still made in Spain , i think from the 2 companies only shell has plant there ,castrol has in Italy in the Mediterranean area.and year of production part is 2022.
i have the new one in, right now.
no complaints really, i have a big consumption but i don't know if its the oil the reason. i had some troubles with the engine as some of you know ,this year. but coincidentally its the second time i use this oil and both times ,its the only oil i have big amount of consumption.in 2 months i will do my OCI , i will replace it with another brand and watch the results.if with the new oil i have no consumption or a small amount then ,TPT is not for my use or engine.
the old one
the new one i have in
i thought someone will notice the ''up tp 12.000km'' and say something like ,where the hell is the european longlife ,25.000km or more???? in my bc is set up when OCI at 28.000km.
but then i guess they care for us, aren't they? or they just want to make more money doing 2 OCI service at stealer ships which by chance costs 150 euros each.
but then i guess they care for us, aren't they? or they just want to make more money doing 2 OCI service at stealer ships which by chance costs 150 euros each.
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@edyvw, Current specs on the official Castrol website are a bit controversial.
The product data for Castrol 0W-30 A3/B4 is from 17 Oct 2022 which is older version of this oil (pink version). However, there is discrepancy between the Product Data Pour Point -60 °C dated 17 Oct 2022 and MSDS Pour Point -45 °C dated 04/21/2024.
This makes me think that new "Gold" container has reduced PAO similar to new 0W-40.
This is the new Product data I found dated 17 Nov 2023 for the "Gold" container and that matches MSDS data
https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/...C8AD60880258AD9003BB3F9/$File/wepp-d3a89m.pdf
Most likely new gold (API SL) 0W-30 has reduced PAO and old pink (API SL/CF) version is better.
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US PDS:
https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/...D50FF12802588DE005BE9D3/$File/bpxe-a9tnq9.pdf
US MSDS:
https://msdspds.castrol.com/ussds/a...2625D6F617E80258B070052B59A/$File/3088903.pdf
UK PDS:
https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/...C8AD60880258AD9003BB3F9/$File/wepp-d3a89m.pdf
UK MSDS:
https://msdspds.castrol.com/ussds/a...467FC4DAD1680258B070052C6EE/$File/3088800.pdf
Could it be new version? Perhaps. But Castrol US still claims -60c pour point.
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The US PDS the you mentioned has date 17 Oct 2022, check at the bottom of the last page. That what I was telling in my previous post. The updated PDS from 17 Nov 2023 says Pour Point -45 °C. Global English PDS: https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/...C8AD60880258AD9003BB3F9/$File/wepp-d3a89m.pdf
They have old PDS link on their product page. The new has less PAO, same as 0W-40. Many companies these days cut corners.
Is Castrol Edge 0W-30 A3/B4 API SL/CF (pink) much better than Castrol 0W-40 API SN (2022 version) for daily driver with occasional 5000rpm? I think benefits would be better oil performance if engine often doesn't reach operating temp, better MPG. What are the reasons to pick 0W-40 other than for racing/track purpose?
Can't find PDS for old 0W-40 by the way.
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I know pds is from Oct 2022. German PDS for the new 0W30, with -45c, is also in October 2022. If you go to German Castrol web site you will see PDS being from 2022. Also, US MSDS is slightly different and that one is from April 2024.
Not sure whether occasional 5,000 rpms play any role, when I use either Castrol, and any other oils, I run it several times a day to 7,000rpms. Whichever you get, make sure your oil temperature is at the operational level. If you track you car, I would go 0W40 in that case.
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Edited my comment a bit at the same time you posted yours.
One more thing that I also mentioned - the latest version of US MSDS also says Pour Point -45 °C. And lower flash point - 203°C (397.4°F) [Pensky-Martens ASTM D 93]. These facts are also important.
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It is possible that they were selling old version up until this year. Also, it is possible they updated MSDS but not pds.
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Found it, PDS for 0W-40 API SN/CF (2019) https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/...39CEBFB802584C6007D7CE6/$File/bpxe-bjlw36.pdf
PDS For 0W-30 API SL/CF (2022)
https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/...D50FF12802588DE005BE9D3/$File/bpxe-a9tnq9.pdf
| Characteristics | 0W-30 | 0W-40 |
| Viscosity, Kinematic 100C, mm²/s | 12.18 | 13.2 |
| Viscosity, Kinematic 40C, mm²/s | 73.21 | 74 |
| Viscosity, CCS -35C (0W), mPa.s (cP) | 5880 | 5600 |
| Noack Volatility, % Loss | 8.3 | not specified but other sources say 8.6 |
| Viscosity, HTHS 150C | 3.5 | not specified but other sources say 3.6 |
| Pour Point | -60 | -57 |
| Flash Point, PMCC, ASTM D93, °C | 210 | 209 |
Very similar oils. 0W-40 is a bit thicker that may be helpful for frequent driving with high RPM. 0W-30 has advantage in MPG and cold engine run. Sadly both oils are only available until old stock is sold out.
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SN Noack is 9.1% and HTHS is 3.7cP.
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Also if these VOA are correct, 0w-30 is mostly Calcium (2340) based while 0w-40 is mix Calcium (1656) Magnesium (445) which may have an advantage over 0w-30. What is your opinion?
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/castrol-edge-0w30-a3-belgium.334075/post-5581212
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/voa-castrol-edge-with-ti-0w40-sn-euro-form.253037/
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Here is UOA of both 0W30 and 0W40. 0W40 is 5,000mls, 0W30 is 4,600. 0W40 had decent amount of track miles, including 1 1/2hrs session at 101f at 5,000ft altitude:
Both have same additive pack:
Both have same additive pack:
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They changed their 0w-40 formula after 2017. Magnesium version had rings on the bottle. Interesting, why would they go to full calcium.
BMW N55 is said to not be a victim of LSPI, but it is DI turbo and there are post saying that it may occur in specific circumstances, like tuned engines where DME cannot handle certain cases properly.
May be it's worth to stockpile on 0w-30 while the old stock is still available. After I switched from TPT 0w-30 to Castrol 0W-40 (bmw F15 N55) I noticed that on cold start the engine runs with a bit more vibration and knocking. Castrol 0w-30 may work better.
BMW N55 is said to not be a victim of LSPI, but it is DI turbo and there are post saying that it may occur in specific circumstances, like tuned engines where DME cannot handle certain cases properly.
May be it's worth to stockpile on 0w-30 while the old stock is still available. After I switched from TPT 0w-30 to Castrol 0W-40 (bmw F15 N55) I noticed that on cold start the engine runs with a bit more vibration and knocking. Castrol 0w-30 may work better.
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After bumping into the thread below decided to do more research. I believe Castrol decided to cut the costs with their retail oils and 0w30 0w40 are no longer as good as they used to be. However, after they signed a contract with BMW they could at least make an effort to provide good branded oil. Remains a question whether 5w30 is made by shell or castrol, but the 5l bottle is from castrol, wonder if they mix GTL for BMW or it is just a castrol-style bottle with shell oil in it.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/voa-bmw-ll-01-twinpower-turbo-5w-30.365608/
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At least in India the new gold bottle is SP/C3, BMW LL-04 and LL19-FE, MB 229.31/51/52, Renault 700/710
And another 5w30 that is just C3 (C3 LL or long life) and that has BMW LL04, MB 229.31/51, Porsche C30 and VW 504 / 507
And another 5w30 that is just C3 (C3 LL or long life) and that has BMW LL04, MB 229.31/51, Porsche C30 and VW 504 / 507
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Castrol is US.
Shell still makes it for many markets.
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Those who work on documents at Castrol have lack of competence. I just noticed that same as for 0W-30 they also have mismatched data for 0w-40 in PDS (Pour Point °C -45, 28 Apr 2024) and MSDS (Pour point -57 °C, 12/19/2023). If these test results are true, then it proves that Castrol changed the formula and amount of PAO beginning 2024 for both 0w30 and 0w40.
Did you switch to Motul 5W40 300V? That's what your signature says.
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I have bunch of Motul on my shelf for next 3yrs including 300V. I have also 10qt of Castrol 0W30 from like 3yrs ago.
Castrol pds is nothing. You should see Pennzoil.
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