Castrol Edge 0W30 has BMW LL01 again!

[kschachn]

"In its ruling of June 24, 2016 (case no. 6 U 78/15), the Cologne Higher Regional Court ruled that only those motor oils without mineral oil content that consumers have known as fully synthetic since the 1970s may be advertised as "fully synthetic" without restriction. This product group only includes oils whose base oil content consists of API groups IV and V. For other synthetically produced motor oils, a notice must be provided if they are to be advertised as "fully synthetic"."
"The judges of the Federal Court of Justice recently had to take an exciting excursion into the world of petrochemicals: The question to be clarified was whether a lubricant chemically refined by "hydrocracking" could be advertised as a "fully synthetic engine oil of the new generation". The Federal Court of Justice denied this and confirmed the argument of the lower court: the consumer does not expect mineral oil under this name, but an artificial product (BGH, judgment of June 21, 2018, case number I ZR 157/16)."

I noticed that there are too many statements on this forum from people who do not know the matter but write their guesses with confidence and attack others to look knowledgeable and important.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts"

So no, it is not a law.

And correct that “there are too many statements on this forum from people who do not know the matter but write their guesses with confidence”.

 

[cheerful_man]

That is not the law! That is ruling.
German judicial practice is not precedent like that of the US; it is based on Roman practice or civil law tradition. This means that the German state has to pass a law that clearly states what is fully synthetic and what is not! Just because someone won the case somewhere does not mean that that is precedent. For that to happen, that language has to be modified into law by the German Parliament as part of the positive law.

I also noticed people who cannot understand the difference between Roman Law practice and Anglo-Saxon Law practice exert too much confidence.

no comment...

 

[kschachn]

I noticed that you help @edyvw with his posts, but there is no need as it actually makes things worse

Really? What I’ve noticed is that a couple of your grand pronouncements have not turned out to be accurate.

 

[edyvw]

I noticed that you help @edyvw with his posts, but there is no need as it actually makes things worse

There is really no need. Difference between Anglo-Saxon law and Roman Law is basic history.

 

[edyvw]

no comment...

Of course you don’t.

 

[kschachn]

Simply turned out to be not satisfactory to edyvw and you simply repeat his statements that looks funny.

Looking back I didn’t say that. I said (as I did before) that it’s not a law.

 

[cheerful_man]

Of course you don’t.

I understand your point about "law vs ruling", we can discuss whether the sun is a circle or a sphere, or what is an ocean but a multitude of drops. "Full synthetic" term is legally enforced in Germany and that was a response to the statements "it is a marketing rule of some sort" and "It is basically guidelines by German marketing authority".

 

[edyvw]

I understand your point about "law vs ruling", we can discuss whether the sun is a circle or a sphere, or what is an ocean but a multitude of drops. "Full synthetic" term is legally enforced in Germany and that was a response to the statements "it is a marketing rule of some sort" and "It is basically guidelines by German marketing authority".

Mobil1 etc. could pursue this to the moon and back. What you don’t get it is that they don’t want as it doesn’t have any impact on their sale.
It is NOT enforced. For it to be enforced it has to be law! That means that let’s say Bavarian main prosecutor can file lawsuit against, let’s say, Castrol. But it can’t! What does this do is opens door for lawsuits from let’s say ROWE against Castrol or marketing body against Castrol. If they don’t decide to sue, then nothing. Bavarian prosecutor must sue! And Castrol would have actually legal issues. This ruling doesn’t have legal ramifications as it was civil court not criminal, which would be a case if that was the law.

 

[kschachn]

I understand your point about "law vs ruling", we can discuss whether the sun is a circle or a sphere, or what is an ocean but a multitude of drops. "Full synthetic" term is legally enforced in Germany and that was a response to the statements "it is a marketing rule of some sort" and "It is basically guidelines by German marketing authority".

If you come up with the law, paste it here.

 

[edyvw]

If you come up with the law, paste it here.

And I really don’t get why is this important.

 

[Astro14]

We need to pause for a bit. I will unlock this in a couple of days.