Cars built during the Covid pandemic

I feel new vehicles are vastly overrated, this may be an unpopular opinion.

I believe the thread was about quality concerns on ALL new cars. This seems too blanket of a statement to assess.
 
I feel new vehicles are vastly overrated, this may be an unpopular opinion.

I believe the thread was about quality concerns on ALL new cars. This seems too blanket of a statement to assess.
Fair enough, back to the topic.

I say if you’re referring to the 80/90’s era of Honda’s, Toyota, or venerable Chevy 350’s then, yes. Today it’s comparatively overrated. However if we’re going back even further to the behemoths prior, then I’d say I disagree.
 
Fair enough, back to the topic.

I say if you’re referring to the 80/90’s era of Honda’s, Toyota, or venerable Chevy 350’s then, yes. Today it’s comparatively overrated. However if we’re going back even further to the behemoths prior, then I’d say I disagree.
I am not an expert on cars before the 80s, I do not know how reliable they were in the 50s, 60s, 70s, you would have to focus on more specific generalizations, import or domestic, truck or car, platform this or platform that, for specific context. I do not see many cars from the 70s on the road. Some 80s, primarily 90s and up. Generally speaking.

I sometimes get into discussions with people, that feel older cars are not trustworthy, etc.. again, unless car has known problems or something along those lines, I would wholly disagree.

As to what was being discussed here, I took it as the question, would pandemic-era workforce make a car worse. My answer would be, that.. if it does, you are looking at the wrong company. Might be a better case about parts, although I believe quantity, not quality, may be affected. So many parts are made and nary a chip is needed.

This has evolved into the work ethos of the workforce, I assume we are talking about the American workforce.. yes, hiring signs are absolutely everywhere, even moreso than a few months ago, I do not know why this is, but the generalizations about this is why kind of statements don't exactly hold water when examined closely.

It sounds as if OP has decided against a new car. How about Certified Pre-Owned.. and are prices still disproportionate to value? Many questions.
 
Because a rusty or broken down 70/80/90/00s car never existed until this past year? You can't really blame shortcuts on lack of workers per se, especially when certain manufactures have always had issues; cause c'mon, when has Ford not had issues?
 
Because a rusty or broken down 70/80/90/00s car never existed until this past year? You can't really blame shortcuts on lack of workers per se, especially when certain manufactures have always had issues; cause c'mon, when has Ford not had issues?
Your post could be seen as bashing Ford.

I could cite a specific example of how good Ford has been for me, but I will refrain.
 
Your post could be seen as bashing Ford.

I could cite a specific example of how good Ford has been for me, but I will refrain.

It's not a ford bashing post. I've had great success with my previous car ('15 focus) but they have had very questionable designs that makes me wonder if correlation is causation. Now granted I don't like to use generalized statements but certain things make me wonder when is there not a common issue on at least one of their lines of cars; Pinto, Powershift, Exploder, and wasn't there some sort of in-block water pump? Even some things with my previous focus was questionable like both the timing and oil pump belts were wet belts. Note that this does not absolve the fact that other manufactures do have issues with their cars as well (like rust on certain Tacomas and Mazdas, electrical faulty funs with Merc, etc, etc, etc.)

I'm just saying this as a generalized statement as we probably shouldn't point fingers at CV19 or "lazy workers" as a reason to not buy a new car today.
 
It's not a ford bashing post. I've had great success with my previous car ('15 focus) but they have had very questionable designs that makes me wonder if correlation is causation. Now granted I don't like to use generalized statements but certain things make me wonder when is there not a common issue on at least one of their lines of cars; Pinto, Powershift, Exploder, and wasn't there some sort of in-block water pump? Even some things with my previous focus was questionable like both the timing and oil pump belts were wet belts. Note that this does not absolve the fact that other manufactures do have issues with their cars as well (like rust on certain Tacomas and Mazdas, electrical faulty funs with Merc, etc, etc, etc.)

I'm just saying this as a generalized statement as we probably shouldn't point fingers at CV19 or "lazy workers" as a reason to not buy a new car today.
I know lol.. and my Ford is my most reliable vehicle, I won't get into specifics, but it has been a great car. I don't think you were necessarily bashing Ford, just that your statement that every manufacturer may have its issues and fumbles seems more suited.

Pinto did come to mind, but, as you mentioned, was that design of the cars or build quality issues, as seems to be the topic, build quality issues.

DeLoreans, some door handles would fall off the interior and leave the occupant to maybe crawl through a window to get out. Not every single DeLorean, but apparently not uncommon..
 
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I’m in the market for a new car right now and I started thinking about cars built in the last two years. Will these cars have reliability issues down the road because of part shortages and manpower shortages at the factories? I know at any job, if you’re short handed, you sometimes take short cuts to get the job done. Just look at Ford with their F-150 and Bronco Sport. They built thousands of them and then they sat for months in parking lots waiting for chips. Some makes are not installing features that were considered standard and now you’re paying more for less product now. Then I will talk about the elephant in the room. The average American worker is entitled and lazy these days. I have seen this at my own company the last two years with the new hires and employees that were hired in the last five years. They have zero work ethic and are constantly calling in sick. You can’t depend on them and I could see this as a huge problem in a large auto production plant. In the future I could see cars from 2020-2022 as years to avoid in the used car market.
I've got a 2021 Jeep built during the pandemic and it's been trouble free the first 7k miles. It has excellent fit/finish, too. Hopefully it'll stay that way, but it is certainly off to a great start.
 
I've got a 2021 Jeep built during the pandemic and it's been trouble free the first 7k miles. It has excellent fit/finish, too. Hopefully it'll stay that way, but it is certainly off to a great start.
I would venture a guess it is built the same way during and after the pandemic as before.
 
I’m in the market for a new car right now and I started thinking about cars built in the last two years. Will these cars have reliability issues down the road because of part shortages and manpower shortages at the factories? I know at any job, if you’re short handed, you sometimes take short cuts to get the job done. Just look at Ford with their F-150 and Bronco Sport. They built thousands of them and then they sat for months in parking lots waiting for chips. Some makes are not installing features that were considered standard and now you’re paying more for less product now. Then I will talk about the elephant in the room. The average American worker is entitled and lazy these days. I have seen this at my own company the last two years with the new hires and employees that were hired in the last five years. They have zero work ethic and are constantly calling in sick. You can’t depend on them and I could see this as a huge problem in a large auto production plant. In the future I could see cars from 2020-2022 as years to avoid in the used car market.
Actually, I read an article focused on this issue, a few months ago.

For a variety of reasons, they recommended not buying. Issues with cars/trucks sitting waiting for chips or other items, factories being shut down then reopened, then partially shut down... not a recipe for quality control
 
I have a 2021 Hyundai Tucson. I have seen no reliability or QC items from this vehicle since I bought it in 2020. It currently has just shy of 30K on it. It is no worse than any other car I have bought new.
 
I am not an expert on cars before the 80s, I do not know how reliable they were in the 50s, 60s, 70s, you would have to focus on more specific generalizations, import or domestic, truck or car, platform this or platform that, for specific context. I do not see many cars from the 70s on the road. Some 80s, primarily 90s and up. Generally speaking.

I sometimes get into discussions with people, that feel older cars are not trustworthy, etc.. again, unless car has known problems or something along those lines, I would wholly disagree.

As to what was being discussed here, I took it as the question, would pandemic-era workforce make a car worse. My answer would be, that.. if it does, you are looking at the wrong company. Might be a better case about parts, although I believe quantity, not quality, may be affected. So many parts are made and nary a chip is needed.

This has evolved into the work ethos of the workforce, I assume we are talking about the American workforce.. yes, hiring signs are absolutely everywhere, even moreso than a few months ago, I do not know why this is, but the generalizations about this is why kind of statements don't exactly hold water when examined closely.

It sounds as if OP has decided against a new car. How about Certified Pre-Owned.. and are prices still disproportionate to value? Many questions.
As I recall, pre-EFI, pre-electronic ignition vehicles were easier to work on, but they needed serviced ALL THE TIME! Constant carburetor fiddling, points ignition with associated spark plug cleaning/gapping/replacement, 10,000 mile MAX bias ply tires-there’s no wonder there was a service station on every other corner. 100K miles was a miracle, now it’s just broken in!
 
I bought a "pandemic built" car.
The Alfa was built, in Italy, in Nov 2020.
It currently has over 7k miles, and hasn't caused me a moment of grief.

With most cars being built today, as many assembly jobs are done by robots as possible.
The frames are welded by robots, painted by robots, and it isn't until you start installing fenders, doors, wiring and interior components, that you start dealing with human caused issues. Even the torque wrenches used by the assemblers are computer controlled, and do their best to warn of issues if either used improperly, or not used at all.

My friends bought a Mazda CX-30 in late August/Early September, and they have never been happier with a vehicle they have owned.
Her brother, who was visiting from Minny during Christmas, went straight to the nearest Mazda dealer, and bought himself a CX-5 when he returned home after spending time in theirs.

I think it just depends on which car or truck you buy, rather than any car or truck made during this time period.

BC.
 
I am about to purchase a 2022 Toyota 4Runner. I will report my findings once the deal is consummated. However, I do not believe the fit and finish will be affected by the pandemic.
 
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