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[SC Maintenance]

I think the "7 million" Mike Rowe was referring to was U.S. men between the ages of 25 and 55 of which I'd roughly estimate to number around 50 million, maybe a little more. It is quite plausible that 7 million of them are not working because they don't want to work.

I am not a fan of Mike Rowe - he likes to play fast an loose with any numbers.

I wonder what percentage of those 7 million are participating in the gig economy like uber, or somehow involved in the trade of goods that are not legal, or working in the grey / under table market? Remember that most all employment data is based off of surveys. Even the so called "accurate" QCEW only tracks companies with 10 or more employees.

There have always been some portion of the population that do not work. They used to be called "deadbeats" Is it really 1/6th of 25 - 55 YO men?

 

[JeffKeryk]

By design, your kidding I hope. Our great nation hasn't had a economic design in many decades. Was it by design to have the debt and deficits we have? Was it by design for our nation to be down the road to financial collapse by continuing to import more than our nation exports- which guarantees a nation will financially collapse.

The only major nation I see having a employment design is China. Maybe add India to the list. Zero design whatsoever in the U.S. except immediate profit to report to wall Street.

Not sure of your point? Debt and deficit are due to fiscal policy; spending more than taking in. Yes, it's been awhile since we've had a balanced budget; the numbers speak for themselves.

A trade deficit doesn't inevitably lead to financial collapse. A sustained trade deficit can indicate issues like reduced competitiveness or excessive consumption, but it can also reflect an economy that is growing and investing in productive capital. Growth is generally characterized by increases in imports and exports.

 

[GON]

A trade deficit doesn't inevitably lead to financial collapse.

Not a major nation in the history of the world financially survived after years of continuing and accumulating trade deficits. A nation MUST export more than it imports to gain wealth, and the opposite is true, nation that imports more than it exports will lose its wealth.

So very simple. It blows my mind you can't connect the dots.

 

[PandaBear]

By design, your kidding I hope. Our great nation hasn't had a economic design in many decades. Was it by design to have the debt and deficits we have? Was it by design for our nation to be down the road to financial collapse by continuing to import more than our nation exports- which guarantees a nation will financially collapse.

The only major nation I see having a employment design is China. Maybe add India to the list. Zero design whatsoever in the U.S. except immediate profit to report to wall Street.

https://theconversation.com/why-the...cent-but-it-could-still-go-a-lot-lower-103665

Hope you are clam down when you read this. I can feel your anger and I understand your disappointment. The reality is, there is no way to achieve things like: everyone graduate, everyone never crash their cars, nobody is homeless, everyone in the military survive every single combat (you in the military would probably understand this I hope), every vehicle will keep every passenger alive in every accident, etc.

To achieve "everything" is a very costly decision. Communism tried it (as much as you are biased you probably should also accept that the very first generation of communist were not dictators but ideologist, naïve maybe but not dictators).

Maybe you can work in the commercial world one day to understand how interest rate impact business decision and hiring decision, and therefore unemployment.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Not a major nation in the history of the world financially survived after years of continuing and accumulating trade deficits. A nation MUST export more than it imports to gain wealth, and the opposite is true, nation that imports more than it exports will lose its wealth.

So very simple. It blows my mind you can't connect the dots.

You either didn't read what I posted or you just don't understand.

 

[PandaBear]

Not a major nation in the history of the world financially survived after years of continuing and accumulating trade deficits. A nation MUST export more than it imports to gain wealth, and the opposite is true, nation that imports more than it exports will lose its wealth.

So very simple. It blows my mind you can't connect the dots.

Most understand that major nations collapse from over inflated asset prices and financial collapse due to leverage.

Japan had no trade deficit but their asset (real estates) turn into a bubble. They had a trade surplus with US and Europe and they spend their earned surplus oversea investing in NYC real estates, until the bubble burst, and they collapsed for 30 years.

China had a trade surplus with the US and a real estate bubble because they had too much trade surplus and nowhere to spend (they have a very tight currency control), so they grew a real estate bubble that popped last year. Their biggest problem is not trade deficits, but leverage like Japan.

 

[PandaBear]

By design, your kidding I hope. Our great nation hasn't had a economic design in many decades. Was it by design to have the debt and deficits we have? Was it by design for our nation to be down the road to financial collapse by continuing to import more than our nation exports- which guarantees a nation will financially collapse.

The only major nation I see having a employment design is China. Maybe add India to the list. Zero design whatsoever in the U.S. except immediate profit to report to wall Street.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/economy-at-a-glance-unemployment-rate.htm

Maximum employment is the highest level of employment the economy can sustain over time without leading to excessive inflation.

Gon, I didn't say that myself. It is the Fed on its official website. Are you angry at the Fed or do you believe they don't know what they are doing?

 

[CKN]

https://www.federalreserve.gov/economy-at-a-glance-unemployment-rate.htm

Maximum employment is the highest level of employment the economy can sustain over time without leading to excessive inflation.

Gon, I didn't that myself. It is the Fed on its official website. Are you angry at the Fed or do you believe they don't know what they are doing?

GON usually feels the way that GON feels. And yes-not being employed in the public sector for almost all of your career gives you very little perspective. But he blocks me so.......obviously he can't handle mine.

 

[Wolfshead]

Don Cherry ?

 

[SC Maintenance]

By design, your kidding I hope. Our great nation hasn't had a economic design in many decades. Was it by design to have the debt and deficits we have? Was it by design for our nation to be down the road to financial collapse by continuing to import more than our nation exports- which guarantees a nation will financially collapse.

He is technically very correct.

The entire Breton Woods reserve currency status was a bribe to other countries to join us in the cold war. It should have ended in 1992 but too many elites wanted to stay rich.

The influx of immigrants (of all types, H1B and other less official) is by design to keep labor costs low. Its the "unspoken" part. Its often spoken about in serious economic corners. The argument is that American's don't want those jobs, and while some Americans maybe not, we do have a record number of people working, and much of that has to do with fast food now pays $14 an hour not $6, due to the shortage in labor.

So yes, its by design. If you want to argue its a very poor design I will join you.

 

[GON]

He is technically very correct.

The entire Breton Woods reserve currency status was a bribe to other countries to join us in the cold war. It should have ended in 1992 but too many elites wanted to stay rich.

The influx of immigrants is by design to keep labor costs low. Its the "unspoken" part. Its often spoken about in serious economic corners. The argument is that American's don't want those jobs, and while some Americans maybe not, we do have a record number of people working, and much of that has to do with fast food now pays $14 an hour not $6, due to the shortage in labor.

So yes, its by design. If you want to argue its a very poor design I will join you.

That stat i am interested in is the percentage of males from age 18 to age 60 working. Show me that chart from 1924 through 2024.

Stating a record number of people working can be very misleading, as woman have entered the workforce, and growth in U.S. population.

 

[SC Maintenance]

That stat i am interested in is the percentage of males from age 18 to age 60 working. Show me that chart from 1924 through 2024.

Stating a record number of people working can be very misleading, as woman have entered the workforce, and growth in U.S. population.

In 1990 we had 110M workers and 249M population - 43.8% working. Now we have 159M workers and 340M population so 46.8%. We also have way more retirees now. Way more "workers" outside the home. Source https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PAYEMS

Does it matter if our workers are women or men? Women historically stayed home and raised children, which is the hardest job I know. Maybe on average there just better workers?

I could probably dig up all kinds of stats from people like the Bureau of lies and Mike Rowe and produce your chart, but like I said its all based on surveys and lacks uber, and undocumented, and the underground economy. The fact that fast food pays $14 an hour and is in a perpetual labor shortage tells me there are jobs. So if men won't take them, it reinforces my statement about women above?

Full disclosure - I have two daughters in college taking degrees traditionally held by men. Possibly I am biased. I will tell you that 30 years ago when I stepped on a plant floor all the operators were men, and now almost all are women.

 

[GON]

Does it matter if our workers are women or men?

Yes, absolutely.

And for the record my Daughter makes likely four times annually as my two Sons income combined annualy.

Here is a eye catching chart and the soure link:

This dashboard provides a snapshot of country-wide and state-level male workforce dynamics across race, age, and education updated monthly when new data is released by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Explore the state of male employment with key indicators and visuals on unemployment, labor force participation, and earnings.

https://aibm.org/research/dashboard-tracking-male-employment-in-the-us/

 

[KrisZ]

Too many leaches refusing to work and get handouts.

Not really.
What drives an average man to work hard? For young men it’s chasing women. For older and married men it’s supporting your family.

All of that is practically destroyed by women making money and high divorce rates.

Many men are simply checking out. If they can’t get a woman and can’t have a family with her, there is no drive or motivation left in them.

Here is a frightening statistic. Roughly 1.4 million women are on onlyfans. In the past these women would’ve been called the oldest profession in the world, today it’s called empowerment.

 

[scoot]

Not really.
What drives an average man to work hard? For young men it’s chasing women. For older and married men it’s supporting your family.

All of that is practically destroyed by women making money and high divorce rates.

Many men are simply checking out. If they can’t get a woman and can’t have a family with her, there is no drive or motivation left in them.

Here is a frightening statistic. Roughly 1.4 million women are on onlyfans. In the past these women would’ve been called the oldest profession in the world, today it’s called empowerment.


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Souless women . Wasting their lives

 

[Just Dropped In]

I had two used vehicles on Craigslist in the past 6 weeks. Once tariff-talk started up, responses to the ads took a nose dive and I removed the listings. I was selling them to buy a new/newer truck. Bought my current truck new in 1992 (chevy) and will just have to keep it going until this tariff/market nonsense improves, which is not very likely. The good news, my '92 doesn't have a touch screen, start/stop, auto this and that, or even airbags!

 

[Rmay635703]

Not really.
What drives an average man to work hard? For young men it’s chasing women. For older and married men it’s supporting your family.

All of that is practically destroyed by women making money and high divorce rates.

Many men are simply checking out. If they can’t get a woman and can’t have a family with her, there is no drive or motivation left in them.

Here is a frightening statistic. Roughly 1.4 million women are on onlyfans. In the past these women would’ve been called the oldest profession in the world, today it’s called empowerment.


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There is that and there is also a lopsided gender population distribution, made worse by the pandemic and the changed natural birth rates/childhood survivability rates.

Youth unemployment has been growing for years but it is offset by people being forced to work late in life.

The effects of “women’s preferences/ behavior “ coupled with the school system/ college grant system favoring girls. Followed by there being heavy sexism when men take a typically female job but the opposite being true for women (male caregiving, social work, nursing, psychology, trends real data driven signs of bias)
has had an affect on household formation .

If you notice the data and studies showing that we “overshot “ our efforts about 30 years ago (as we always do) to enabling women while putting up artificial barriers to boys in the form of removing the programs and teaching methods certain boys require, coupled with pulling educational/financial assistance along gender lines.
You will tend to invoke extreme prejudice even though on paper we have failed boys by every measurable metric.
This shouldn’t be an either or situation but as usual it is and we haven’t as yet had an appropriate or helpful response to fix the issue.

To be clear, Young men still end up employed at similar rates regardless but face underemployment, part time jobs, instability, lack of support structures and poverty at higher rates as the jobs they historically would have access to no longer exist in society and their ability to take the jobs that do exist, so called “women’s work” has walls and bias in place no different than women faced in the 70’s.

There is non-alt right research (scholarly) on the erosion of our ability to teach and employ boys to men but as I said this is one of the legitimate places of extreme prejudice if you even notice a problem

 

[Pew]

Not really.
What drives an average man to work hard? For young men it’s chasing women. For older and married men it’s supporting your family.

All of that is practically destroyed by women making money and high divorce rates.

Many men are simply checking out. If they can’t get a woman and can’t have a family with her, there is no drive or motivation left in them.

Here is a frightening statistic. Roughly 1.4 million women are on onlyfans. In the past these women would’ve been called the oldest profession in the world, today it’s called empowerment.


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The want to be independent should be enough to warrant working hard. There's really no excuse not too. Or hear me out, it could be because women don't have to be trapped inside a dead end marriage with a husband that Bill Clinton's their secretary. Now that they get to be independent, make their own money, and vote, they have no reason to be beholden to sub-par men.

1.4 million women on only fans. 82 million American men have subscribed to it at least once. That's half of the males in the USA. 90% of them are married too, so don't blame the lack of drive or motivation for a family on females.

Sounds like their profession is booming anyways. I'd sell a couple feet pics for a gt3rs.

 

[scoot]

Worlds oldest profession.

 

[KrisZ]

The want to be independent should be enough to warrant working hard. There's really no excuse not too. Or hear me out, it could be because women don't have to be trapped inside a dead end marriage with a husband that Bill Clinton's their secretary. Now that they get to be independent, make their own money, and vote, they have no reason to be beholden to sub-par men.

1.4 million women on only fans. 82 million American men have subscribed to it at least once. That's half of the males in the USA. 90% of them are married too, so don't blame the lack of drive or motivation for a family on females.

Sounds like their profession is booming anyways. I'd sell a couple feet pics for a gt3rs.

Of course there are two sides to every story/problem. But the discussion usually focuses around men. Women are usually never mentioned. They’re liberated now from that awful and abusive husband, so they should start putting their fair share of work. If men aren’t stepping up, they should. Isn’t it exactly what they wanted?

And you know what’s the funniest? All these “liberated” women and boss babes still want a “traditional” husband that will provide and protect. Most will say they want to be stay at home moms/wives. you can’t make this stuff up.