The enemy is not either side of the political spectrum, ATMO. The enemy is steer excrement. So much BS in the world, a lot of it emanating from social media.
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never seen anyone heat with gas. Europe isn’t one country, Sweden vs Romania are both in Europe but aren’t the same at all.
Also here in Sweden electricity is cheap as hell, at least in the warmer months.
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Alright, must be annoying to heat with gas, a nightmare if it leaks, here we use water or electricity.
Gas heat is great, 40+ years of owning a gas heated house, no problems. Baseboard electric heat OTOH sucked, and was very expensive.
It's incredibly cheap in the US compared to electric . The US is awash in NatGas.
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Gas is much better than water or electricity.
Electricity is really, REALLY inefficient way to heat.
Steam has its advantages, but also huge disadvantages . I am from Europe and had centralized heating. Problem is that it takes time to “fire up” boilers. Gas heaters are above anything, convenient and extremely decentralized.
Agree. I think I am going on 30 years, same experience. Not one problem, instant heat, zero issues. Also very cheap - even after the utility marks it up
Perhaps better to leave the science to those who are appropriately educated. It's a complicated subject.
My water heater and my heat are gas. I don't know that I've ever had a setup in any home I've owned that wasn't gas.
It's been a while, but when I was a kid and my dad went on sabbatical for his Master's, we had a rental house in Portland with all electric baseboard heat and my parents complained a lot about the cost of electricity. Of course this was back in the day (80s) on the left coast, and electricity was expensive. So was gas for that matter, my parents complained about that too at the house we owned for most of my childhood (not in Portland), they would turn down the heater to 60 at night. Lots of blankets growing up, for sure. I never had AC either before we moved to Texas, when it got hot in the Willamette Valley, we just suffered to some degree, although going to the river, or the beach, or the mountains to escape the heat was pretty common.
I have lived in Texas for 35 years now and I've never had a heating setup that wasn't gas since I graduated college. When I was at UT-Austin, I lived for 3 semesters at one of the co-ops on West Campus. There, we had a liquid coolant HVAC, there was multiple buildings and then a centralized mechanical building. We only switched from cooling to heat and heat to cooling in the fall and spring, and the 100ish residents actually voted on the date to switch it over. It was better to make the switch to cooling earlier and heat later because while you could bundle up if you had a late season cold front, if it got hot early, you suffered like I did as a kid.
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I was thinking he is talking about steam heating or centralized heating, which has its advantages. When it comes to water, I think in Europe, depending where you live, they are either electric and gas, or electric. WHich is not an issue, because apartments are smaller etc. One thing I will say about water heaters is that with solar panels, I am seriously considering electric water heater. I can produce electricity on my own, and cut gas consumption at the same time.
I installed a tankless years ago. Just another option...
That would make it a very strong consideration. I really would benefit from solar with my future plans. If both cars go to EV and I go solar and am able to generate enough power to make sense that everything else is electric when it needs replaced, there would be very little reason not to do it.
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Yes, one of the options too.
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I have stayed several places with those systems - can be difficult to get the temp where you want it …
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Not sure what you can generate in WI during winter months and how big of a system you need. But here, considering altitude and that we have more than 300 sunny days a year, it is a no-brainer.
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True. Depends also what generates steam. I lived in a city that had steel mill employing 22,000 workers. The steam was their byproduct. Usually, the problem is too much heat, so you end up trying to figure out how many radiators you need to shut off. But, if there is a cold spell in September (usually there is), you will be freezing for a few days as it takes time to start boilers.
Cities that have dedicated power plants usually have OK heating.
That's exactly the issue and with having a smaller 2 story house I'm not certain I have the roof space to get enough solar to make it happen. I'll eventually go all EV, but not in a hurry to go electric on the heat or water. Power is pretty cheap here anyway so EVs do save me money regardless.
I haven't gotten that deep into it yet to actually go through with solar. I know it'll be a big initial expense and I have other home projects that take precedence to it now.
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If someone offered me solar now, I would not get it at these interest rates. But I got my system at 0.9%.
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