M1 if I had to choose, but I'd use any (and have) without hesitation.
Battle of the Big Three
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And I'll answer 'none'.. I would use M1 over the other two (and have used lots of it over the years), but I'm now back to Red Line in my 'new' 2015 Grand Cherokee.
But it was a Q "of the big three", assuming big three by sales numbers and not by any real attribute of the oil.
If they all meet the service spec requirement then how could any one be better than the other (trick question)?
For any shop that does a lot of oil changes, the "best" oil is the one that make his/her bank acct the biggest
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Can’t go wrong with any of these but I’m partial to M1.
none will kill your engine but isn't supposedly on paper Edge then PP then regular Mobil?
I am not talking about M1 EP or ESP just the regular Mobil (Super?).
I use all 3 brands with a minor tweak . I use M1 EP and PP and GTX Magnatec.
I rate the EP on top in my case.
I am not talking about M1 EP or ESP just the regular Mobil (Super?).
I use all 3 brands with a minor tweak . I use M1 EP and PP and GTX Magnatec.
I rate the EP on top in my case.
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I go on price, so I've used all three, and two of them are on the shelf in the garage right now, along with a lot of RGT.
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I’m in a similar boat...I’d use whatever is on sale or rebate and I’ve used all three.
And yup, got a ton of RGT...along with a boatload of Valvoline Modern Engine.
But if I had to chose between Mobil 1, PP, or Castrol...I’d choose the Mobil 1. For some reason I just “trust” that oil because they’re such a big company, been around a long time, spend a lot of money on research, seem to take pride in consistency.
Use to be a fan of M1, used it in all my car religiously. But then I pondered, Shell has some great gasoline, ethanol free here in Ontario Canada, why doesn’t Esso make the same effort? Who is esso owned by? Imperial oil, who has a large stake in Imperial? Xon.M. So I did some more digging, found out Royal Dutch Shell is behind Pennzoil. So if they take pride in their gasoline, they take pride in their oils as well and it goes to show with their adaptation of GTL. I’m not saying Xon is bad, no, them and Shell and Castrol have many innovative ideas but to me Shell is just a little “better”.
Castrol? They make good stuff too, no doubt. However they are owned by BP which I don’t like too much due to their corporate practises. One being the labelling of “synthetic oil” when in fact it wasn’t fully synthetic and they had a massive court proceeding. Due to that, non fully synthetic oil can be called synthetic oil. They can kiss my business good bye. But I have used their 0w30 wit great success.
All in all, it’s your wallet and your choice. All three are super close to performance when you buy their over the counter products. One may exceed the other in a certain area but on a small scale which you won’t feel or realize.
Castrol? They make good stuff too, no doubt. However they are owned by BP which I don’t like too much due to their corporate practises. One being the labelling of “synthetic oil” when in fact it wasn’t fully synthetic and they had a massive court proceeding. Due to that, non fully synthetic oil can be called synthetic oil. They can kiss my business good bye. But I have used their 0w30 wit great success.
All in all, it’s your wallet and your choice. All three are super close to performance when you buy their over the counter products. One may exceed the other in a certain area but on a small scale which you won’t feel or realize.
First off there was no court proceeding, massive or otherwise.
And second the other companies you mention use the same base stocks. GTL is a Group III base stock and is hydrocracked, just like what Castrol used and uses.
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Correct, it was a lawsuit, not a court case, that's my mistake. I still won't ignore what Castrol pulled in regards to labelling none the less it became normalized behaviour in the industry (Labelling of synthetic), though it's not criminal, it's not specific to the wording used. If something is labelled, say, ethanol free, I expect it to be ethanol free, otherwise it's a lie, technical jargons and marketing aside of course.
I should have been more specific with the "GTL adaptation". They had the world's first commercialized GTL plant, though that doesn't mean "too" much, to me it illustrates they saw it as a viable (large) investment and were willing to put in the capital to innovate GTL and take it to the "next" level.
All brands make good oil, so good the differences are very minuscule for the average daily driver and you can't go wrong with either of them,
No it wasn't a lawsuit either. Had it progressed to that stage Mobil knew they would lose. One of the reasons they knew this is because they were using hydrocracked base stocks in other markets and labeling it as synthetic.
And labeling severely hydrocracked base stock as synthetic wasn't a lie and that's what the NAD decided. It's not technical jargon or anything, it is good science and good chemistry. You've got a hard battle making a technical argument otherwise. I just find it odd that you praise Shell GTL but criticize Castrol for their Group III base stocks.
And by the way, Shell's capital investment in the Pearl plant wasn't because they wanted to pursue GTL for technical reasons.
And labeling severely hydrocracked base stock as synthetic wasn't a lie and that's what the NAD decided. It's not technical jargon or anything, it is good science and good chemistry. You've got a hard battle making a technical argument otherwise. I just find it odd that you praise Shell GTL but criticize Castrol for their Group III base stocks.
And by the way, Shell's capital investment in the Pearl plant wasn't because they wanted to pursue GTL for technical reasons.
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Shell had to promote GTL as the best thing since sliced bread because they poured huge amounts of money into that Pearl facility. They bet the farm on it.
GTL is nothing new. It’s been around for decades but if you listen to Shell it is the next coming as far as oil is concerned.
GTL is nothing new. It’s been around for decades but if you listen to Shell it is the next coming as far as oil is concerned.
Went over the debacle and correct, wasn't a lawsuit either, thank you for correcting me on that. I was misinformed. I didn't criticize Castrol for the quality of their products, I've used their products with great success and have stated above that all three brands make great products.
Yes their capital investment wasn't only due to the GTL "breakthrough" they claim is their holy grail. It may not be tech jargon, but it is some good marketing at the end of the day, all brands take advantage of it, its the nature of the beast.
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All things being equal I tend towards Castrol, however my local WM oil section sucks so if Castrol, especially 0w-40, is out of stock I grab Mobile1 without hesitation and get on with my life. Honestly I've never used Pennzoil and don't know why.
And it is a beast, $18B-$19B apparently although others say as high as $24B:
http://www.gasprocessingnews.com/features/201310/smaller-scale-gtl-enters-the-mainstream.aspx
A massive quantity of "stranded" natural gas was the main incentive. According to Shell, " Pearl GTL produces and processes around 1.6 billion cubic feet a day of wellhead gas from the world’s largest single non-associated gas field – the North Field – which stretches from Qatar’s coast out into the Gulf. "
https://www.shell.com/about-us/major-projects/pearl-gtl/pearl-gtl-an-overview.html
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Shell must be pissing it self. With the issues going on with Qatar on a political plain and all. I think the numbers are conservative, I agree that it is north of 19 billion for sure. "Stranded" How can it be stranded? All hail Shell for saving the stranded natural gas.
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