This IS getting interesting. I'm really looking forward to hearing from somebody who knows something about this informal policy.
Auto-Rx mixed with other products.
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Originally Posted By: Pablo
If ARx is not compatible with some additives, that's fine, just list them. I don't get all the cloak and dagger stuff. It can't be that hard.
I imagine that Frank doesn't want other stuff blended with Auto-Rx causing dissatisfaction from the mixing. As long as I've known Frank he's tried to streamline and simplify the process ..yet (and this is my imagination of how it appears on his end) he's like Pacino in The Godfather III "The more I try to get out ...the more they suck me back in!!".
This needs to be a professional use product. Individual consumer use is begging for complications. If there aren't any built in ..they'll add them all by themselves. There are lots of products like that. I did detailing back in the mid-70's for extra $$$. The products we used would/could/should never be released on the market for consumers. It would be a disaster.
If ARx is not compatible with some additives, that's fine, just list them. I don't get all the cloak and dagger stuff. It can't be that hard.
I imagine that Frank doesn't want other stuff blended with Auto-Rx causing dissatisfaction from the mixing. As long as I've known Frank he's tried to streamline and simplify the process ..yet (and this is my imagination of how it appears on his end) he's like Pacino in The Godfather III "The more I try to get out ...the more they suck me back in!!".
This needs to be a professional use product. Individual consumer use is begging for complications. If there aren't any built in ..they'll add them all by themselves. There are lots of products like that. I did detailing back in the mid-70's for extra $$$. The products we used would/could/should never be released on the market for consumers. It would be a disaster.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Originally Posted By: Pablo
If ARx is not compatible with some additives, that's fine, just list them. I don't get all the cloak and dagger stuff. It can't be that hard.
I imagine that Frank doesn't want other stuff blended with Auto-Rx causing dissatisfaction from the mixing. As long as I've known Frank he's tried to streamline and simplify the process ..yet (and this is my imagination of how it appears on his end) he's like Pacino in The Godfather III "The more I try to get out ...the more they suck me back in!!".
This needs to be a professional use product. Consumer use is begging for complications. There are lots of products like that. I did detailing back in the mid-70's for extra $$$. The products we used would/could/should never be released on the market for consumers. It would be a disaster.
Gary, look at it this way, when someone buys an oil additive they can do as they wish, as far as mixing arx with another oil additive we can say that if something bad happens then we cannot blame arx. I believe you had a thread on here with your home brew formula where you mixed a couple of different products.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
If ARx is not compatible with some additives, that's fine, just list them. I don't get all the cloak and dagger stuff. It can't be that hard.
I imagine that Frank doesn't want other stuff blended with Auto-Rx causing dissatisfaction from the mixing. As long as I've known Frank he's tried to streamline and simplify the process ..yet (and this is my imagination of how it appears on his end) he's like Pacino in The Godfather III "The more I try to get out ...the more they suck me back in!!".
This needs to be a professional use product. Consumer use is begging for complications. There are lots of products like that. I did detailing back in the mid-70's for extra $$$. The products we used would/could/should never be released on the market for consumers. It would be a disaster.
Gary, look at it this way, when someone buys an oil additive they can do as they wish, as far as mixing arx with another oil additive we can say that if something bad happens then we cannot blame arx. I believe you had a thread on here with your home brew formula where you mixed a couple of different products.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
If ARx is not compatible with some additives, that's fine, just list them. I don't get all the cloak and dagger stuff. It can't be that hard.
My guess is that an ester based product, it should not be mixed with other ester based products due to potential inter-esterification. But that's just a guess.
IMHO you would get equal cleaning to ARX for 1/10th the cost by dumping in a quart of MMO and then changing the oil about 500-1000 miles later.
Much less mystery in MMO.
If ARx is not compatible with some additives, that's fine, just list them. I don't get all the cloak and dagger stuff. It can't be that hard.
My guess is that an ester based product, it should not be mixed with other ester based products due to potential inter-esterification. But that's just a guess.
IMHO you would get equal cleaning to ARX for 1/10th the cost by dumping in a quart of MMO and then changing the oil about 500-1000 miles later.
Much less mystery in MMO.
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Originally Posted By: c3po
Gary, look at it this way, when someone buys an oil additive they can do as they wish, as far as mixing arx with another oil additive we can say that if something bad happens then we cannot blame arx. I believe you had a thread on here with your home brew formula where you mixed a couple of different products.
I dunno
The only mixture I can recall doing was a totally off the wall outrageous experiment where I dumped about (thinking) 1/2 gallon of MMO and 1/2 of ATF into my fuel. It was to show what DID NOT HAPPEN.
This was due to a bunch of posters, who I classify as "You'll shoot your eye out, kid!" types that offer the most doomsday Chicken Little advice without any basis for the precautions that they routinely spew. They do it without a single notion based on experience.
When I see something like that, I say "Well, if you're terrified by someone using 4oz of MMO in their fuel ..surely someone using a 1/2 gallon will surely destroy their cat ..their fuel system ..insult the crown prince of Denmark ..and alienate all his closest friends and relatives.
It's the same way I did my bypass valve experiments ..and am currently conducting my 0w-10 experiments.
When someone is worried about too much/too little/not enough/whatever ...you just JUMP UP AND DOWN ON IT WITH BOTH FEET. If you fall through the floor ..well, you just found out that you exceeded the limits. If you don't ..well you then know that all the hysteria that fueled so much baseless advice was just that, baseless.
..but sure ...do anything you want with whatever you please
Keep in mind that others may follow. When I did my experiment ...I recall distinctly saying "Don't attempt this at home, folks. Amateur risk taker on closed course". I did it with the specific intent of showing what didn't happen. I wasn't suggesting a practice.
That's a funny thing about the internet that many forget here. While you may view it from an individual standpoint ..potentially hundreds of people may follow your lead.
That's why a few of us can appear to be professional arguers.
Gary, look at it this way, when someone buys an oil additive they can do as they wish, as far as mixing arx with another oil additive we can say that if something bad happens then we cannot blame arx. I believe you had a thread on here with your home brew formula where you mixed a couple of different products.
I dunno
This was due to a bunch of posters, who I classify as "You'll shoot your eye out, kid!" types that offer the most doomsday Chicken Little advice without any basis for the precautions that they routinely spew. They do it without a single notion based on experience.
When I see something like that, I say "Well, if you're terrified by someone using 4oz of MMO in their fuel ..surely someone using a 1/2 gallon will surely destroy their cat ..their fuel system ..insult the crown prince of Denmark ..and alienate all his closest friends and relatives.
It's the same way I did my bypass valve experiments ..and am currently conducting my 0w-10 experiments.
When someone is worried about too much/too little/not enough/whatever ...you just JUMP UP AND DOWN ON IT WITH BOTH FEET. If you fall through the floor ..well, you just found out that you exceeded the limits. If you don't ..well you then know that all the hysteria that fueled so much baseless advice was just that, baseless.
..but sure ...do anything you want with whatever you please
That's a funny thing about the internet that many forget here. While you may view it from an individual standpoint ..potentially hundreds of people may follow your lead.
That's why a few of us can appear to be professional arguers.
Gary, I understand the keep in mind that others may follow, so if we do something and it does no harm, lets talk about it, the same thing goes if our experiment goes bad, it is important to post after the experiment is done, as opposed to posting during the middle of the experiment.
We need to be careful about what we read on the internet, I am not trying to be a proffesional arguer, I just want too post my observations with the products I use and if there is a product I have not used then I need to keep my thoughts on that product too myself.
We need to be careful about what we read on the internet, I am not trying to be a proffesional arguer, I just want too post my observations with the products I use and if there is a product I have not used then I need to keep my thoughts on that product too myself.
Originally Posted By: ionbeam22
Originally Posted By: Pablo
If ARx is not compatible with some additives, that's fine, just list them. I don't get all the cloak and dagger stuff. It can't be that hard.
My guess is that an ester based product......
We know all that. Since about 2002. What I'm saying is If ARx is all psycho about what their product can't be used with, publish the list by PRODUCT NAME, or as Gary suggests, don't sell at the consumer level.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
If ARx is not compatible with some additives, that's fine, just list them. I don't get all the cloak and dagger stuff. It can't be that hard.
My guess is that an ester based product......
We know all that. Since about 2002. What I'm saying is If ARx is all psycho about what their product can't be used with, publish the list by PRODUCT NAME, or as Gary suggests, don't sell at the consumer level.
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Originally Posted By: RichR
For the last five years I have been adding A-rx with a dose of Schaeffer's#132 at every oci.
All four engines have been ok so far.
Is this Schaeffer's 132 the same as Neutra. I am just wondering if there is any proof that arx cannot be mixed with any other oil additives. I do not see anything on the back of the bottle of arx that says it should not be mixed with other oil additives.
I would think if someone on this board mixed arx with another oil additive and there were any problems we would have heard about it, just my thoughts.
Nuetra and #132 are different.Nuetra can be used as a flush/cleaner beside its fuel treatment use.
#132 is an oil additive to improve lubrication and oxidation.
Originally Posted By: RichR
For the last five years I have been adding A-rx with a dose of Schaeffer's#132 at every oci.
All four engines have been ok so far.
Is this Schaeffer's 132 the same as Neutra. I am just wondering if there is any proof that arx cannot be mixed with any other oil additives. I do not see anything on the back of the bottle of arx that says it should not be mixed with other oil additives.
I would think if someone on this board mixed arx with another oil additive and there were any problems we would have heard about it, just my thoughts.
Nuetra and #132 are different.Nuetra can be used as a flush/cleaner beside its fuel treatment use.
#132 is an oil additive to improve lubrication and oxidation.
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Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: ionbeam22
Originally Posted By: Pablo
If ARx is not compatible with some additives, that's fine, just list them. I don't get all the cloak and dagger stuff. It can't be that hard.
My guess is that an ester based product......
We know all that. Since about 2002. What I'm saying is If ARx is all psycho about what their product can't be used with, publish the list by PRODUCT NAME, or as Gary suggests, don't sell at the consumer level.
Selling this on the professional level would radically limit the need to handle all the variances of individual needs. A fleet or independent shop technician may have a question or two ..but it would be far fewer than each consumer of the product. The customer would bring their questions to him/her. The tech/shop operator wouldn't really have to promote the product, but rather just say that this is how he was going to handle the problem. He would know the story about the oil selection ..the person's driving habits in terms of maintenance schedule ..etc..etc.
I doubt that MMO, Scheaffers, GUMOUT, or BG (what's it called) gets as many inquiries on how to use all of their products compared to the number of "I like to drive off a cliff while doing full reverse gainers in my sleep. Should I use Redline even if you say not to?" type questions that come up about Auto-Rx.
"I routinely add curry powder to my sump. Is it okay with Auto-Rx"?
I like to do this.
I like to do that.
Meanwhile the response has always been, "Please, just don't do anything and use the product as directed for maximum satisfaction. Combining with other products, while possible, can lead to unexpected results. We can't anticipate nor even imagine all potential combinations of the vast number of products and formulations that may be added to engine sumps and therefore specifically recommend against it.".
I'd like to see the "canned" response you get from MMO if you ask them about using it with another product. I would suspect that it would basically be "no comment" ..but massaged for politeness.
Originally Posted By: ionbeam22
Originally Posted By: Pablo
If ARx is not compatible with some additives, that's fine, just list them. I don't get all the cloak and dagger stuff. It can't be that hard.
My guess is that an ester based product......
We know all that. Since about 2002. What I'm saying is If ARx is all psycho about what their product can't be used with, publish the list by PRODUCT NAME, or as Gary suggests, don't sell at the consumer level.
Selling this on the professional level would radically limit the need to handle all the variances of individual needs. A fleet or independent shop technician may have a question or two ..but it would be far fewer than each consumer of the product. The customer would bring their questions to him/her. The tech/shop operator wouldn't really have to promote the product, but rather just say that this is how he was going to handle the problem. He would know the story about the oil selection ..the person's driving habits in terms of maintenance schedule ..etc..etc.
I doubt that MMO, Scheaffers, GUMOUT, or BG (what's it called) gets as many inquiries on how to use all of their products compared to the number of "I like to drive off a cliff while doing full reverse gainers in my sleep. Should I use Redline even if you say not to?" type questions that come up about Auto-Rx.
"I routinely add curry powder to my sump. Is it okay with Auto-Rx"?
I like to do this.
I like to do that.
Meanwhile the response has always been, "Please, just don't do anything and use the product as directed for maximum satisfaction. Combining with other products, while possible, can lead to unexpected results. We can't anticipate nor even imagine all potential combinations of the vast number of products and formulations that may be added to engine sumps and therefore specifically recommend against it.".
I'd like to see the "canned" response you get from MMO if you ask them about using it with another product. I would suspect that it would basically be "no comment" ..but massaged for politeness.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
I'd like to see the "canned" response you get from MMO if you ask them about using it with another product. I would suspect that it would basically be "no comment" ..but massaged for politeness.
I think somebody did that (or similar) and MMO's official response was something on the order of, "Our product works well with other additives but was originally designed to be used with just motor oil." I don't know where I heard that, but I'm pretty sure I've heard it. If you don't believe it, that's cool, too. But consider this:
Think about oil 70 years ago when MMO was formulated vs. oil today. MMO's formulation has varied only slightly if at all, yet people are still getting results right and left. I'd feel safe using MMO with just about any additive because Mobil Arctic S.A.E. 20 from 1940 and Mobil One AFE 5W-20 from 2009 are completely different animals, but both have proven great combinations with MMO, or so history would lead us to believe. A little sheep juice or group V or extra zinc or moly from an additive isn't going to do too much to the way MMO works, apparently. It just does.
That's the difference between snake oil and a time-tested additive.
I'd like to see the "canned" response you get from MMO if you ask them about using it with another product. I would suspect that it would basically be "no comment" ..but massaged for politeness.
I think somebody did that (or similar) and MMO's official response was something on the order of, "Our product works well with other additives but was originally designed to be used with just motor oil." I don't know where I heard that, but I'm pretty sure I've heard it. If you don't believe it, that's cool, too. But consider this:
Think about oil 70 years ago when MMO was formulated vs. oil today. MMO's formulation has varied only slightly if at all, yet people are still getting results right and left. I'd feel safe using MMO with just about any additive because Mobil Arctic S.A.E. 20 from 1940 and Mobil One AFE 5W-20 from 2009 are completely different animals, but both have proven great combinations with MMO, or so history would lead us to believe. A little sheep juice or group V or extra zinc or moly from an additive isn't going to do too much to the way MMO works, apparently. It just does.
That's the difference between snake oil and a time-tested additive.
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Why would I not believe it ..or you?
I'm unsure what/why you're stating. My post had nothing to do with MMO or Seafoam or whatever. It has to do with some fascination with individualism in regards to Auto-Rx. Out of all products, it is the most questioned as to how to use it.
Does anyone question how to use Seafoam? They may get creative on how they introduce it into the engine (brake booster line) ..but do you really think anyone actually contacted Seafoam and asked: I want to do a piston soak. I'm going to mix your product with MMO and put it in the cylinder through the spark plug hole and leave it over night. Do you think this is a good idea?"
Do you really see them responding to that? If they didn't, would you REALLY think less of Seafoam ..especially if you were convinced that it accomplished what you intended?
I'm unsure what/why you're stating. My post had nothing to do with MMO or Seafoam or whatever. It has to do with some fascination with individualism in regards to Auto-Rx. Out of all products, it is the most questioned as to how to use it.
Does anyone question how to use Seafoam? They may get creative on how they introduce it into the engine (brake booster line) ..but do you really think anyone actually contacted Seafoam and asked: I want to do a piston soak. I'm going to mix your product with MMO and put it in the cylinder through the spark plug hole and leave it over night. Do you think this is a good idea?"
Do you really see them responding to that? If they didn't, would you REALLY think less of Seafoam ..especially if you were convinced that it accomplished what you intended?
I don't know Gary I think the issue was that this product was pushed here first and there were so many different levels/conditions of use that you have to think through it. Clean, flush, rinse...NO SYNTHETICS well just some synthetics, use this much, oh wait don't use that much for this. I mean it's like trying to write down a recipe getting rattled off from your grandma while she's cooking and half hammered. Now having said that the new directions and web presentations look pretty straight forward- heck I bought some and I don't part with a dollar very easily!
Your thought process on professional use product are probably right on, but as of right now it's a consumer product and they WILL continue to get a myriad of questions due to the complexity of use. Most customers love directions like this:
1. Unscrew cap and peel safety seal DO NOT USE IF SAFETY SEAL IS MISSING- (Stick Picture)
2. Pour entire contents of bottle into engine oil- (Stick Picture)
3. Replace oil fill cap- (Stick Picture)
4. Dispose of Bottle- (Stick Picture and Responsible Green way statement)
5. Repeat every X,000 miles or X months
USE ONLY AS DIRECTED OR BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN
Your thought process on professional use product are probably right on, but as of right now it's a consumer product and they WILL continue to get a myriad of questions due to the complexity of use. Most customers love directions like this:
1. Unscrew cap and peel safety seal DO NOT USE IF SAFETY SEAL IS MISSING- (Stick Picture)
2. Pour entire contents of bottle into engine oil- (Stick Picture)
3. Replace oil fill cap- (Stick Picture)
4. Dispose of Bottle- (Stick Picture and Responsible Green way statement)
5. Repeat every X,000 miles or X months
USE ONLY AS DIRECTED OR BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN
Well, for some odd reason I feel compelled to throw in my two cents' worth-
Apparently some folks have been using MMO along with ARX which produces MARXMO. And it is known that ARX likes oil without esters in them; however, MMO has oil of wintergreen (methyl salicylate) in it which in fact is an ester, albeit a simple one.
Now I'm gonna stray a bit.
On the other hand, there is always that possibility that a certain chemical such as an ester like methyl salicylate may in fact produce a synergistic or superadditive effect as we would say in old-school photography. Sure, no one has yet proven so but it cannot be totally ruled out, either, IMO.
I've said enough- hopefully this doesn't start a riot!!!
Apparently some folks have been using MMO along with ARX which produces MARXMO. And it is known that ARX likes oil without esters in them; however, MMO has oil of wintergreen (methyl salicylate) in it which in fact is an ester, albeit a simple one.
Now I'm gonna stray a bit.
On the other hand, there is always that possibility that a certain chemical such as an ester like methyl salicylate may in fact produce a synergistic or superadditive effect as we would say in old-school photography. Sure, no one has yet proven so but it cannot be totally ruled out, either, IMO.
I've said enough- hopefully this doesn't start a riot!!!
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I don't know Gary I think the issue was that this product was pushed here first and there were so many different levels/conditions of use that you have to think through it.
It's got its complications, no two ways about it. It's a relatively young product, by most standards, and has undergone evolutions as have the oils used with it. Over the same time span we've seen 5w-20 come on the scene, GC ..Euro alphabet soup.. SL and SM. We've seen Saab, VW, and Toyota sludge issues. A rather dynamic era, if you will.
..but your basic complaint is totally in terms of how it's marketed for various conditions. I haven't seen much of a complaint about its merchantability ..or "suitability for use".
That is, there are surely some valid criticisms of the(what I would term) "personality" of Auto-Rx as a company/vendor ..but it seems to totally revolve around that niche aspect of it.
Frank just annoyed the heck out of people
I've found the product to be effective and don't seem to have a problem following the instructions.
I do believe that the company would be better served by having this printed on the bottle.
Change oil and filter and add contents to engine.
Start engine and operate immediately to assure mixing.
Operate for 3000 miles.
Change oil and filter.
Do NOT add additional Auto-Rx
Operate for 3000 miles
Treatment is complete.
For excessively dirty engines, additional treatments may be necessary.
Use conventional oils for best results.
For additional information visit: www.auto-rx.com
I don't know Gary I think the issue was that this product was pushed here first and there were so many different levels/conditions of use that you have to think through it.
It's got its complications, no two ways about it. It's a relatively young product, by most standards, and has undergone evolutions as have the oils used with it. Over the same time span we've seen 5w-20 come on the scene, GC ..Euro alphabet soup.. SL and SM. We've seen Saab, VW, and Toyota sludge issues. A rather dynamic era, if you will.
..but your basic complaint is totally in terms of how it's marketed for various conditions. I haven't seen much of a complaint about its merchantability ..or "suitability for use".
That is, there are surely some valid criticisms of the(what I would term) "personality" of Auto-Rx as a company/vendor ..but it seems to totally revolve around that niche aspect of it.
I've found the product to be effective and don't seem to have a problem following the instructions.
I do believe that the company would be better served by having this printed on the bottle.
Change oil and filter and add contents to engine.
Start engine and operate immediately to assure mixing.
Operate for 3000 miles.
Change oil and filter.
Do NOT add additional Auto-Rx
Operate for 3000 miles
Treatment is complete.
For excessively dirty engines, additional treatments may be necessary.
Use conventional oils for best results.
For additional information visit: www.auto-rx.com
Re: AUTO - RX: Does it do what it claims?? [Re: va3ux]
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Loc: Jacksonville Beach Fl I am working on new (clearer applications formats) know mine and add-on's by well meaning people have been convuluded.
We took instructions from our printing plant experiences and tried to convert them to automotive.
I found this post in the oil additive section, this was back in 2007, maybe the application instructions need to be stretched out and I will give you 2 examples.
When I did arx in my transmission, I left 6 ounces of arx in there for 3000 miles instead of following the application instructions which called for leaving it in for 1000 miles. When I flushed the trans fluid out at 3000 miles it came out very dark.
I did the same thing for the Differential application which called for leaving it in for 1000 miles, and I extended it too almost 2500 miles and the fluid came out dark and arx did clean up the gears.
I just think it is very hard to take instructions from printing press experiences and then convert them too automotive.
I also wanted to point out that I did have success with arx in the powersteering, but I followed the instructions, but I did end up doing another application and now the powersteering is working great.
I just think this shows us that these application instructions may need to be extended in order to get the results that we all want when using arx.
Frank
Registered: 05/28/02
Posts: 2164
Loc: Jacksonville Beach Fl I am working on new (clearer applications formats) know mine and add-on's by well meaning people have been convuluded.
We took instructions from our printing plant experiences and tried to convert them to automotive.
I found this post in the oil additive section, this was back in 2007, maybe the application instructions need to be stretched out and I will give you 2 examples.
When I did arx in my transmission, I left 6 ounces of arx in there for 3000 miles instead of following the application instructions which called for leaving it in for 1000 miles. When I flushed the trans fluid out at 3000 miles it came out very dark.
I did the same thing for the Differential application which called for leaving it in for 1000 miles, and I extended it too almost 2500 miles and the fluid came out dark and arx did clean up the gears.
I just think it is very hard to take instructions from printing press experiences and then convert them too automotive.
I also wanted to point out that I did have success with arx in the powersteering, but I followed the instructions, but I did end up doing another application and now the powersteering is working great.
I just think this shows us that these application instructions may need to be extended in order to get the results that we all want when using arx.
Again wow! Simplified instructions versus a work in progress help simple "Cave Men" consumers (think Lothar of the hill people here) do the right thing and reach their perceived value entitlement quicker! The whole printing press thing makes me a lil' nervous...kind of like I fed Viagra to a moose and he had a great rut combined with a quantifiable mean shift in vigorous offspring...versus it's great for you on a Saturday night and we can't guarantee that you won't get an S T D LOL!
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Reasons not to mix them.
1. They may not work well together.
2. They may work against each other.
3. How do you know which one works or doesn't if you mix a bunch of stuff togther.
As far as 1 and 2 goes, you do not know until you try.
As far as number 3, if you have been using a certain oil additive for 24,000 miles or so and you decide to put in another oil additive and you notice:
1) Engine runs better
2) Oil drained is darker
Then you may come to either 2 conclusions:
1) The 2nd oil additive is better than the 1st oil additive
2) They are both working great together, kind of like a synergistic affect
Reasons not to mix them.
1. They may not work well together.
2. They may work against each other.
3. How do you know which one works or doesn't if you mix a bunch of stuff togther.
As far as 1 and 2 goes, you do not know until you try.
As far as number 3, if you have been using a certain oil additive for 24,000 miles or so and you decide to put in another oil additive and you notice:
1) Engine runs better
2) Oil drained is darker
Then you may come to either 2 conclusions:
1) The 2nd oil additive is better than the 1st oil additive
2) They are both working great together, kind of like a synergistic affect
The darkening of the oil could also be the result of the additive burning up and thus fouling the oil.
Again all the mystery around ARX is offputting compared to alternatives like MMO (Infusion of light penetrating lubricants), or Seafoam(Mild solvent flush) or Rislone (Slow cleaner?) etc. Heck for the cost of one ARX treatment you could do a complete oil change with synthetic oil (if you buy the oil/filter on sale)
Again all the mystery around ARX is offputting compared to alternatives like MMO (Infusion of light penetrating lubricants), or Seafoam(Mild solvent flush) or Rislone (Slow cleaner?) etc. Heck for the cost of one ARX treatment you could do a complete oil change with synthetic oil (if you buy the oil/filter on sale)
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