Building codes were started by insurance companies. They obviously want to avoid liability on the structure and on occupants who are at risk of injury.
You could live in a house made of cardboard but you'd have to self-insure or not.
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You could live in a house made of cardboard but you'd have to self-insure or not.
Ah yes… because of MISO’s (Midwest Independent System Operator which covers most of Illinois) 22,040MW of wind power as of 2020 and peak loads over the entire network of over 110,000MW, the current ~6,000-7,000MW wind produces during peak times is super beneficial. More wind is CLEARLY the answer!
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There are efforts to save those plants right now underway, I hope they are successful. As seems to be well-known outside of the echo chamber of green idiocy that wind produces wildly out of phase with demand and will of course never substitute for a baseload source like nuclear or hydro. Therefore, you install wind, you get gas, taking us the opposite direction from where these same advocates claim to be wanting to go. The whole thing is a fraud on that front unless these people truly are that clueless in which case that begs some even more important questions.
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"This little place where I live has a dam, therefore electric is cleaner"
Michael Moore himself admitted that "alternative fuel sources" is a complete fraud:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_of_the_Humans
Your cherry pick out in Vancouver, assuming it is true, does not extrapolate to the rest of North America, let alone the world. Solar and wind are a fraud. They are impossibly inefficient from an energy consumption stand point relative to the demands expected of them by society. The reason your fuel prices are higher is because the place where you live is hyper liberal politically, so like California the liberal politicians enact incompetent legislation because of their religious belief in "alternatives" to demonize the scientifically demonstrably superior form of energy, hydrocarbons.
Take for example the 2021 F-150. Big hype around that electric engine, right? The estimated range on the best electric engine for that vehicle is 300 miles. That's it. The gas version has a tank of 30.6 gallons. The electric f-150 is therefore getting the gas equivalent of 9.8 miles per gallon on average. That is twice as bad as a 400 horsepower 5.0 V8. It is laughable. There will therefore be even more energy required to fuel such vehicles because of the shorter potential range, and all that energy will have to be placed on new coal plants, new natural gas plants, and the fraudulent "bio fuel" plants as depicted in Moore's film. There is no net reduction of emissions, you just have vehicles that cost more, with a shorter full range, and come with different maintenance problems.
The whole thing is a liberal fraud.
The "powers that be" want to put in an electrical charging infrastructure. It was also "the powers that be" that put in the Interstate Highway System.
IMHO-ultra fast recharging and the availability thereof will be the norm and then electric car sales will really take off. And all the BITOG members will be looking for ICE beaters to keep on the road.
I don't know if anyone on BITOG is truly knowledgeable enough to say the nation's power grid is an issue-or how big of a capacity issue it could be. Electrical power-to any large degree cannot be stored, and therefore has to be used as it is generated. Save for the current drought situation-who knows?
The ship is sailing guys-you can hold on to your old boat or get on the new one-that's the choice.
IMHO-ultra fast recharging and the availability thereof will be the norm and then electric car sales will really take off. And all the BITOG members will be looking for ICE beaters to keep on the road.
I don't know if anyone on BITOG is truly knowledgeable enough to say the nation's power grid is an issue-or how big of a capacity issue it could be. Electrical power-to any large degree cannot be stored, and therefore has to be used as it is generated. Save for the current drought situation-who knows?
The ship is sailing guys-you can hold on to your old boat or get on the new one-that's the choice.
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I post a LOT of threads on power generation.
The person you are responding to is factually correct about BC, the majority of their grid power is derived from Hydro Electric. Not just Vancouver, but BC as a whole.
It is similar in a few other provinces like Quebec and here in Ontario, where our largest single source is Nuclear with 18 reactors producing ~60% of our power and a further 25% coming from Hydro-electric.
Yes, fossil fuels are more energy dense than batteries. But if you are charging an EV using a reliable source of low emissions power, it's overall a cleaner operating profile and of course you are reducing local ground-level emissions, which is of greater benefit in dense large urban centres.
Uh… 300 miles of range does not correlate to 9.8 mpg. You are leaving out a number of steps in determining energy consumed per mile.
Do you understand that which you are objecting to?
I didn't cherry pick anything, I live here. In your previous post you seemed to believe everyone gets their power from burning coal, absolutely not true.
I don't think he does. That argument makes no sense whatsoever.
I posted in my previous post that it costs roughly 15% the cost, here in BC, to travel the same distance with electric as it would with gasoline. This obviously varies depending on what vehicles are being compared, but it is a good middle ground of similar vehicle types. That's also totally aside from any environmental gains, its just straight up cost savings to the end user. What any of that has to do with fuel tank size, I have no idea.
The whole "the grid can't handle it" thing is kind of a farce anyway. Obviously if everyone changed to BEV at one time we'd have an issue, but that won't happen, and most charging will be done overnight when power demand is low.
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I'm not going to wholly condemn him on some of the erroneous stuff because POH does do a pretty good job on shedding some much needed light on the reality of W&S vs much of what is marketed towards the layman who doesn't understand powergen enough to realize they are being had.
He's right in that in many cases, there isn't a big, if any, improvement in shifting from a traditional ICE to an EV when the grid is majority coal powered. The improvement in those instances is the shift of pollution from the tailpipe to the smokestack where, ideally, it's away from the urban centres. Gas gen makes it better, but the big improvements are when the power comes from hydro and/or nuclear. But even then, we have to realize that these sources will need to be significantly expanded if we want EV penetration to increase and not cause grid collapse.
Wind has redirected money that could have been spent on nuclear and hydro into something that produces grossly out of phase with demand and with a ~20 year lifespan and absolutely require gas backup. It is a spectacular fraud that allows fossil fuel companies to greenwash their continued relevance while guaranteeing dependence on their gas operations. Brilliant really.
A gallon of gasoline is 33.4kwh. They’re estimating the long range F-150 Lightning has a 150kwh battery. Assuming that’s true and it can do 300 miles, and assuming you’re getting the 22mpg highway rating of a 5.0 F-150, it would take you 13.64 gallons of gasoline, or 455kwh worth of gas to drive 300 miles.
I think Ford's move with the hybrid F150 is a smarter one for the current market. Don't EV's currently have like a 1% take rate or something? I agree that once the grid is able to support it and charging is more widely available the simplicity of EV's will make them win, but the change will be gradual. I work on a college campus that generates it's own power, has initiatives to be "green" and putting in EV charging has still been a bit of a nightmare. I think EV is the way we are heading, but believe the change will be a lot more gradual than the political powers that be seem to believe. Just putting in new power for our datacenter was a huge nightmare fighting tons of red tape and zoning, I can't imagine trying to build a sufficient EV infrastructure. When companies like Audi/VW state they will not be developing any new ICE, it's likely because they will be focusing on hybrid and EV powertrains since the current engines have likely gone as far as they want to invest in them with VVT, turbo DI, etc.
Agree!
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Recent events in Texas and California say otherwise. Demand management is getting tossed around a lot as a solution right now in VRE-heavy grids where the VRE buggers off. Not an issue in BC, Ontario, Quebec or any place in Canada really, but there are places that will not handle increased EV penetration well because their grid is already "on the edge".
Maybe it comes from my background in working with data center disaster recovery, but I don't see the reason to go "all in" on EV. I think they should definitely play a big role where they make sense, but planning to get rid of ICE altogether in favor of them is poor planning IMO.
EVs are perfect for city driving, or what I see a lot of at my job which are campus facilities vehicles that maybe drive 10 miles a day, but never leave campus and are always parked in a central spot. Perfect for charging and lowering emissions in these areas. University and city busses would also be a good idea.
The Texas grid issue from the storm, California's constant issues, and the recent pipeline hacking should all be reasons we shouldn't rely on one single power source. I'm more interested in a multi-fuel hybrid vehicle than EV. Give me something that can be plugged in, and have a gasoline/diesel backup ICE that also charges the batteries.
EVs are perfect for city driving, or what I see a lot of at my job which are campus facilities vehicles that maybe drive 10 miles a day, but never leave campus and are always parked in a central spot. Perfect for charging and lowering emissions in these areas. University and city busses would also be a good idea.
The Texas grid issue from the storm, California's constant issues, and the recent pipeline hacking should all be reasons we shouldn't rely on one single power source. I'm more interested in a multi-fuel hybrid vehicle than EV. Give me something that can be plugged in, and have a gasoline/diesel backup ICE that also charges the batteries.
They arent the only ones. IMO, within 20 years IC engines will be a relic of the past. Just look at how quickly the OPE industry has switched over to electric and how truly great and hassle free the new stuff is.
Even the oil companies are starting to see the hand writing on the wall......
https://www.utilitydive.com/news/sh...ts-as-oil-majors-prep-for-rise-of-evs/547305/
https://www.utilitydive.com/news/sh...ts-as-oil-majors-prep-for-rise-of-evs/547305/
- The acquisition of electric vehicle charging company Greenlots by a subsidiary of Royal Dutch Shell could signal a wave of coming investment in the EV space as large oil and gas companies look to diversify, say electrification experts.
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They've been diversifying and capitalizing on the electrification and "green" narrative for years. The vast majority of the wind farms in Ontario for example, are owned by fossil fuel interests and Shell has been in the wind space for a while, while simultaneously marketing their gas as the "perfect compliment for renewables".
Amusingly, Trans-Canada Pipelines is one of the Bruce Power shareholders.
Nice for Audi to dream. IMO it might be better not to publicly project out so far, this way if it doesn't happen the people making the projections won't look stupid. lol The power grid is going to need more than 12 years to support all these planned EVs. It will ultimately happen, I have no doubt, but I'd say it's going to take more than 12 years to happen.
I think these automakers who are already committing themselves to a "no more ICE vehicles" date are being stupid. None of them can possibly know what the future holds as far as going all EV. I think their outlook should be more of a "let's wait and see" approach...
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