Attacked by Dog Yesterday While Bike Riding

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Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Some people love their dogs more than most people i happen to be one of them. If someone shot my dog it would turn bad quick. but on the other hand my dogs don't go after anyone for no reason they are well trained.



The real question is not whether or not the dog is under your control, and not able to threaten or attack an innocent bystander on a public thoroughfare.

Again some folks are refusing to accept that when a person is on public access thoroughfares it is NOT their private property, and as such they are NOT allowed to decide access or what is the obligation of the bystander, it is the dog owners obligation and legal responsibility to do whatever it takes to prevent their dog from (threatening/attacking/contacting) those on public roads and sidewalks.

Nobody wants to shoot and kill an animal, however if that animal is threatening a person on public roads or sidewalks they have every right to eliminate that threat or attack. Worse if the dog owner retaliates with force, they would be guilty of a
felony.


The simplest solution is to ride somewhere else. Yes, people have a right to ride on public roads. But simply returning to the same place, with a gun this time and intent to shoot the dog, is simply wrong. It is a premeditated action and fails to use common sense whatsoever.

The aim should be to DE escalate the situation, not dangerously escalate it.
 
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Originally Posted By: gathermewool
If you're going to continue riding that hill I'd ask the mod's to delete this thread. You just told us that you know the dog will most likely come at you and that you intend to shoot it. That may seem like you set out intending to kill the dog that bit you.

Justified as it may be, having this thread floating about may not be in your best interest.


Now you've potentially involved yourself as an accomplice in a conspiracy!!
 
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell


The real question is not whether or not the dog is under your control, and not able to threaten or attack an innocent bystander on a public thoroughfare.


Most dogs don't randomly attack innocents on a thoroughfare. They respond to what they perceive as threats...

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Again some folks are refusing to accept that when a person is on public access thoroughfares it is NOT their private property, and as such they are NOT allowed to decide access or what is the obligation of the bystander, it is the dog owners obligation and legal responsibility to do whatever it takes to prevent their dog from (threatening/attacking/contacting) those on public roads and sidewalks.


I agree, in principle.

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Nobody wants to shoot and kill an animal, however if that animal is threatening a person on public roads or sidewalks they have every right to eliminate that threat or attack. Worse if the dog owner retaliates with force, they would be guilty of a
felony.


I agree here for the most part, but just shooting is a bit idiotic. What if children are around? Have you ever fired a weapon when physically exhausted with an elevated heart-rate? Most police officers on bikes are trained not to ride fast even when responding to a call because they cannot fire accurately when physically stressed on a bike and their heart-rate is up. Civilians are now going too?

The best bet is to just spray with pepper juice when dismounted. Most dogs will not attack when dismounted, and if they do, then by all means shoot them in self defense. But that should be the absolute last resort...
 
Originally Posted By: Kuato

The simplest solution is to ride somewhere else. Yes, people have a right to ride on public roads. But simply returning to the same place, with a gun this time and intent to shoot the dog, is simply wrong. It is a premeditated action and fails to use common sense whatsoever.


Legally what you say will NOT hold up in a court. The dog owner,
NOT the bystander is responsible, it doesn't matter if he returns to ride there, it is his right to do so unfettered, the law is on his side, if the dog owner does not control the animal in a repeat scenario it shows gross negligence. The rider would have no issue terminating the dog, the authorities will simply tell the dog owner, "YOU were responsible, and the death of the animal is
YOUR fault."
 
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
If you're going to continue riding that hill I'd ask the mod's to delete this thread. You just told us that you know the dog will most likely come at you and that you intend to shoot it. That may seem like you set out intending to kill the dog that bit you.

Justified as it may be, having this thread floating about may not be in your best interest.


There are always screen shots
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And as a mod at several sites, message boards do not exist to cover up for A-holes
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Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
I agree forget the gun because if the dogs owner is anything like most people if you shoot his dog he may say you were shooting at him and that is why he blasted you..
Bear mace will stop that dog in its tracks.





As long as the dog is in the street attacking you, and you have a clear shot if that owner attempts to shoot you as the victim he will be behind bars for a loooonng time.

How will that help the OP if he's dead or permanently injured? Do you look before stepping into a crosswalk, even though you have the right of way?

Most dogs will naturally chase a bicycle, they aren't being vicious they are just being dogs. The owners are idiots for not keeping them under control. The best thing to do in a situation like that is stop and put the bike between yourself and the dog. Then either stand your ground, or if the dog is still acting aggressively BACK away, and if you have anything in reach throw it at the dog. If it gets close don't hesitate to hit it with anything available. I would caution against punching or kicking it. If it persists through all that it probably isn't the kind of dog to back off even if you land a solid hit, it may shrug it off and latch on to your now nicely presented appendage.
 
When i was a kid,about ten or so, there was one dog that would actually intercept me ahead of time then pace me and try to nip and bite,he got me once, after while i got my fear under control and went on the offense.As he was closing in, i sped up and swerved into him (twice actually) his leg got stuck in the spokes and my back tire went over his neck,one YELP and limp,he was alright but he never came near me again.
 
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Most dogs will not attack when dismounted, and if they do, then by all means shoot them in self defense. But that should be the absolute last resort...


There is no way to tell, plenty of dogs attack peds walking slowly or stopped in their tracks.

Bottom line is that the dog owner is responsible in this kind of situation for all consequences.

I said before you have to make sure you have a clear shot before shooting the animal. It would seem that it is a very rural area, and sparsely populated with not much chance of having others nearby. Like another poster said, it is LUDICROUS that the
asinine dog owner has the unmitigated gall to tell the OP to
not come up that public road. This is the problem with many people today, they are forking insane.
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O.C pepper spray works great on dogs, I used it several times on duty on canines. Much less paper work compared to a .40 cal. discharged.
 
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Most dogs will not attack when dismounted, and if they do, then by all means shoot them in self defense. But that should be the absolute last resort...


There is no way to tell, plenty of dogs attack peds walking slowly or stopped in their tracks.


Where? When? Adults? No, not really. It's very rare that this happens...

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Bottom line is that the dog owner is responsible in this kind of situation for all consequences.

I said before you have to make sure you have a clear shot before shooting the animal.


If you have a "clear shot," then the odds are you never needed to shoot the animal to begin with. Who the [censored] are you to decide what lives or dies?

Are you the dogcatcher? in NATO now? The CIA?
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It would seem that it is a very rural area, and sparsely populated with not much chance of having others nearby. Like another poster said, it is LUDICROUS that the
asinine dog owner has the unmitigated gall to tell the OP to
not come up that public road. This is the problem with many people today, they are forking insane.
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The dog owner is definitely asinine, but what does that have to do with effectively dealing with the dog attack?

Will shooting the dog be anymore effective than dissuading a dog with spraying it with pepper spray?

Either way, one has to dismount. The OP was bitten because he "ran away" and showed weakness. How will shooting a dog make a difference in that situation?
 
i agree with the pepper spray or mace.discharging a firearm within xxx ft of a house may get you into more trouble. i recomend that you carry the spray and spray the agressive dog as needed.daily as needed until he figures out not to attack people on the street.
 
Sorry to hear that. I have been bit by a dog before while working and going door to door. Had several stitches from a deep puncture and tear on the outside of my leg just above the knee.

I run regularly and always carry a knife with me in case I encounter another dog. I don't think the smaller pepper sprays would be easy to use outdoors on a moving animal and would end up getting in my face too.

Unfortunately carrying a gun around is often frowned upon, and shooting at a dog that has attacked you on a previous occasion could land you on the news, behind bars, or worse if the owner sees you shoot their dog.

Use your head and stay out of trouble, but never trust an animal.
 
Mace won't prevent future attacks, killing the animal will.


Nothing else matters except the fact that the dog owner MUST
have control over the dog, and it CANNOT run at large.
(This is the basic law in many jurisdictions)

In our area of SC, I recently asked our Sheriff's Dept about what our options were in the event that a vicious dog is threatening myself or my family members on a public street or sidewalk. The deputy's response was to carry a gun and if the animal threatens you on public thoroughfares you should shoot it. He added that make sure you first file a complaint with animal control so that it is on record that the animal is a threat to bystanders.

Judge Judy is so right about many dog owners they refuse to take responsibility and then get an attitude when they are brought to justice for their failures to control their dogs.

She said recently of one idiot dog owner that viciously bit a small child and did 10,000$ worth of damage...

"There is something wrong with you. You're as thick as this desktop!"
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Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Mace won't prevent future attacks, killing the animal will.



Really? I want you to go bite a skunk! Then I want you to go bite a skunk again, a week later!

Report back to me the results...
 
Originally Posted By: JamesBond
Sorry to hear that. I have been bit by a dog before while working and going door to door. Had several stitches from a deep puncture and tear on the outside of my leg just above the knee.

I run regularly and always carry a knife with me in case I encounter another dog. I don't think the smaller pepper sprays would be easy to use outdoors on a moving animal and would end up getting in my face too.

Unfortunately carrying a gun around is often frowned upon, and shooting at a dog that has attacked you on a previous occasion could land you on the news, behind bars, or worse if the owner sees you shoot their dog.

Use your head and stay out of trouble, but never trust an animal.


call your local police and ask them what are the possible options.
if the police says that you can't carry a loaded gun and shot it if you are attacked, then politely ask them if it is possible to escort you.
 
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh

Either way, one has to dismount. The OP was bitten because he "ran away" and showed weakness. How will shooting a dog make a difference in that situation?


Exactly, A Dog will only attack if YOU let them, Stand your ground & they run away.

Humans are far more dangerous!!!
 
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: Kuato

The simplest solution is to ride somewhere else. Yes, people have a right to ride on public roads. But simply returning to the same place, with a gun this time and intent to shoot the dog, is simply wrong. It is a premeditated action and fails to use common sense whatsoever.


Legally what you say will NOT hold up in a court. The dog owner,
NOT the bystander is responsible, it doesn't matter if he returns to ride there, it is his right to do so unfettered, the law is on his side, if the dog owner does not control the animal in a repeat scenario it shows gross negligence. The rider would have no issue terminating the dog, the authorities will simply tell the dog owner, "YOU were responsible, and the death of the animal is
YOUR fault."


While I realize that the dog owner can be held responsible for his animals, you need to realize something too.

Say I have a problem with a guy at a 711 who picks a fight with me. I decide that next time I go to that 711, I will take my gun and shoot him if he starts another fight. The point you missed is that OP, while he certainly has the right to ride there again, would be escalating the situation by taking a gun with intent to shoot. Note that this does not in any way change the dog owner's responsibility.

I said nothing of the law in my post. A right or wrong action is right or wrong, regardless of what would occur in court. Committing a crime because you know you can get awa y with it - guess what -- it is still a crime.
 
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Originally Posted By: Kuato

Say I have a problem with a guy at a 711 who picks a fight with me. I decide that next time I go to that 711, I will take my gun and shoot him if he starts another fight. The point you missed is that OP, while he certainly has the right to ride there again, would be escalating the situation by taking a gun with intent to shoot. Note that this does not in any way change the dog owner's responsibility.

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One problem with that scenario, we are talking about an
"animal" not a human being.

Simply put that dog is not worth the same as a human life.
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