ATF +4 = Mitsu, Kia, Hyundai SPIII ?

[Winston]

Is the spec for Chryslers ATF+4 the same as for the SPIII? If so, it seems like the new "multi-vehicle ATF's from Mobil and Pennzoil would work. It that right? Even if not it seems like these multi-vehicle atf are OK for SPIII transmissions.
Pennzoil Mult ATF

This guy in this thread "Joel" is a Mitsu tech and he says ATF+4 is OK. Any comments?

ATF+4 = SPIII comment

 

[Pablo]

I don't think they are exactly the same. It would not surpise me, however, if exceptional fluids could meet both!

Does Pennzoil meet the SPIII??? I didn't think so....

Does Pennzoil meet ATF+4???I didn't think so....

 

[Winston]

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Does Pennzoil meet the SPIII??? I didn't think so....

Does Pennzoil meet ATF+4???I didn't think so....

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But their web site says that it meets specs for all Chyslers and Mitsubishi's made after 1983?!?!

How can they make statements like that? What do they really mean?

 

[Pablo]

I didn't say it wouldn't work.

 

[Ray H]

The ATF+4 fluid became available in 1989. The ATF+3, in 1983. It's a moot point starting next month - Chrysler announced that ATF+3 will no longer be recommended for any MY Chrycorp automatic, and, more importantly, the ATF+4 spec is being released to outside blenders for bottling and labeling under their names for distribution in the normal retail channel. (The mind boggles at the prospect of SuperTech genuine licensed ATF+4.) While I (being a Hyundai owner) would welcome verification that ATF+4 really is equivalent to SP-III, the "guy" named "Joel" (simply claiming on the internet) that he's a Mitsubishi tech doesn't qualify in my lexicon. (I, however, am really Superman . . .)

 

[Winston]

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While I (being a Hyundai owner) would welcome verification that ATF+4 really is equivalent to SP-III, the "guy" named "Joel" (simply claiming on the internet) that he's a Mitsubishi tech doesn't qualify in my lexicon. (I, however, am really Superman . . .)

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Yes, I agree you have to be carefull what you read on the internet. However, I have read many many posts by Joel (just as I have read many, many posts by Ray H.-who is not superman, just some reporter named Clark Kent) and I believe he is a Mitsu Tech. So, I do put some stock into what he says. OTOH, techs, and even dealers screw up plenty of times.

Plus, we are starting to see these multi-vehicle ATF's from Amsoil, Pennzoil, and Mobil. All the while you have dealers that say use my oil or your transmission will blow up. Or Toyota dealers that say use Toyota red or your warranty is void. Then the dealer turns around puts in green and says, "oh it does not really matter." Then you have the "permanent fill" A/T's from Volvo and BMW. Maybe they get their A/T fluid from http://www.synlube.com/ AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH.

 

[G-MAN]

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Originally posted by Ray H:
The ATF+4 fluid became available in 1989. The ATF+3, in 1983.

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This is totally wrong. Type 7176E (ATF+3) was introduced in 1997. Type 9602 (ATF+4) was introduced in 1999. Chrysler's first proprietary ATF, which was called ATF+, was introduced in 1989 along with their new totally electronic transaxle, the 41TE.