Are the black Bosch Premium filters tearing also?

[seekingbuddha]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Quote:
... I saw on a youtube video a guy showing the failure on a Purolator Synthetic. He ran it for 6300 miles, and the oil looked pretty good still, despite a small seperation at one end of the pleats.......

I've watched that same yt several times and other than the yt maker says 'uh ohh looks like we have a separation' I was unable to discern any specific separation nor did he further point to or identify the alleged specific separation area. As far as I could tell there was no separation or anything that would affect function. And later he says no leaks.



If we are talking about the same video on youtube then you pause the video at 1:55 seconds and you can see the seperation of pleats - minor, but its there. Given the oil pressure, i can not imagine all the oil passing through that small hole. But then, youtube also has videos of FRAM filters having holes. So, it comes down to issues being reported in BITOG. Something that i found strange in the BITOG Purolator Tear excel data is the fact that out of 61 reported cases as of todate, 59 have been reported in 2014. The manufacturing dates on 90% of these filters is 2011 or newer. So, it is odd that no reports are there from year 2012 or 2013. So, I suspect this has been a cumulative effect.... few people report problem with the Purolator/Bosch and soon we have a flood of people all testing their Purolator/Bosch filters - which obviously have a manufacturing issue. In my opinion, even 0.1% failure rate is unacceptable in an oil filter manufacturing process. One in 1000 is too many, given the number of cars on the streets. I wonder if Purolator will stand up and release their QA numbers and failure rates, in the face of this PR disaster. Would be especially useful on an important forum such as this, where oil pros congregate. Is there a Purolator rep in this forum ?

 

[Sayjac]

^^^^^I'm talking about the same video, afaik no other PSL with a 6300 oci on yt.

I see a wider than other than other pleat spacing which doesn't indicate a functional failure. I don't see a definitive hole or a breach of the media. I see what might be a reflection off the oil pooled at the endcap. It's also visible on adjoining pleats, just more oil pooled in that area.

Whatever, the yt OP filter acumen is limited as the facts not quoted confirm and thus I'm dubious exactly what 'separation' means beyond a wider pleat area.

As for amateur sluething regarding dates I have no interest. I'll leave that to others as beyond showing anecdotal evidence of tears little else is proven imo.

And I'd suggest if you feel the way you obviously do about Puro filters, you use another brand. It's just that simple, then you have no concerns.

 

[DuckRyder]

I don't see the "separation" either...

Nor does it appear when he cuts the media apart.

I frankly don't think this is nearly so much of a PR nightmare for Purolator as one would think from the post here and if I was Purolator I would not be in a rush to sign up here and subject myself to the recalcitrant mob... look at the beating Jay takes, why would you subject yourself to that?

For my part, I have a PSL on the Acura right now which I fully intend to run for 10,000 or so miles. The Civic has an Ultra that is about 12,500 toward a 20,000 run.

 

[Nate1979]

^^^^ I agree about the beating Jay takes on this site. He is one of the few reps who post info on this site offering technical info that is not available publically. And yet when he posts certain members consistently question everything he says or at least their response is worded such to cast doubt. It just shows the anti-Fram pro-Puro bias by certain members.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: seekingbuddha
Let us say, i monitor my oil once or twice every week. How would i know that I have a oil filter failure, if i decide to use (considering all factors above listed), the PureOne i just purchased. Even if i find out that my filter has failed after 2k miles, i win, due to various conditions that pertain to my car.


IMO, if a Purolator oil filter is going to tear the media, it will be way before 2K miles of use.

And if the filter failed, how would you "win"?

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
I don't see the "separation" either...

Nor does it appear when he cuts the media apart....

Exactly. And as stated taken together with other dubious comments regarding OF structure and function it makes that comment highly suspect for credibility and reliabilty of it's precise meaning. And bottom line he says no tears, good filter and will use again.

As for the rep, as far as I know this board is a voluntary proposition. No one is forced to participate and I would assume if one does it is their preference and desire to do. I don't believe that information posted is above scrutiny/examination because of a title part of which includes presenting products in the best light. I also don't think it a simplistic labeling anti-this and pro-that because one questions details, points outs discrepancies, asks for documentation and presents alternative view points. What it is, is about seeking accuracy.

The recent information regarding the factory FoMoCo factory filters is but one example. Had the rest of the story not been presented, readers might have incorrectly assumed that it's construction was the same as the orange can or TG which it obviously isn't. It's made by Champ and has been some time, long before being placed under the Fram filtration banner. If that's pro anything, it's pro accuracy and detail and anti nothing.

 

[seekingbuddha]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: seekingbuddha
Let us say, i monitor my oil once or twice every week. How would i know that I have a oil filter failure, if i decide to use (considering all factors above listed), the PureOne i just purchased. Even if i find out that my filter has failed after 2k miles, i win, due to various conditions that pertain to my car.


IMO, if a Purolator oil filter is going to tear the media, it will be way before 2K miles of use.




As a side note.....there are thousands of members or visitors to this forum, who probably don't open up their filter, after their life is over. So, for their benefit - can experienced mechanics here offer some clue about how one can know that a filter has a hole (or other problem) that requires me to change the filter immediately ? One obvious clue would be discoloration of the oil, but that can not be taken as a sign (because even with a perfect filter, the color would change, with age).

 

[ZeeOSix]

^^^ Only way is to cut it open. That's why you want to use a filter you can trust to be reliable and won't fail.