Grampi you are exactly right. I think with the new cafe standards that all companies are going to start stretching the truth as far as they can to keep up. I've noticed a similar trend with fords eco boost .
Are all new Hyundais MPG #'s a bit exaggerated?
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My econobox is rated at 26/31. I average 34-36 with mostly hwy driving...
I don't know about all Hyundai MPG claims being outlandishly large. I do recall a settlement back in the early 2000's where they settled a claim of overstating the horsepower for the 1999 Elantra when a re-test revealed it was lower than advertised. My family got a $2 check or something silly out of it, and the official horsepower rating got revised down from 140 to 138, IIRC.
Also, their MPG numbers depend on who you ask. The auto journos get decent MPG's, but Fuelly has not that great numbers for the new Elantra.
Also, their MPG numbers depend on who you ask. The auto journos get decent MPG's, but Fuelly has not that great numbers for the new Elantra.
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Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
I don't want to start an argument but here's my thoughts. Hyundai's mpg is exxagerated there great warranty is exxagerated and they try to get out of warrantying things. And all the while all I hear is they are great cars now.... how can that be i haven't seen one yet that was any more impressive than anyone else and I haven't seen any real high mileage ones that haven't had some pretty good sized work. Sorry for the rant I have an aunt who is die hard hyundai. She had the first Gen excel and she has had Hyundai's ever since. I think its fair to say those old excels weren't good cars.
And I have dealt with several other brands (yes, GM especially) that do the exact same things. And just because YOU haven't seen what you think is a great car doesn't mean others have not. Apparently they are seeing things you are not, as the sales numbers are saying alot. I don' know what you consider high mileage, but one of my Hyundai's is at almost 160K with NEVER a dealer visit, CEL, or anything other than routine maintenance and a couple light bulbs. My 1987 Excel lasted 107K before it got crunched, with no issues as well except a leaky valve cover gasket. While the Excels at the time were not the most high quality cars, other Manufacturer's had their share of lemons, as well.
Originally Posted By: grampi
I think everything about all the Korean vehicles is exaggerated, their MPG ratings, their build quality, everything...consumers made the Japanese wait 20 years or more before giving them their due respect, but the Koreans get a free pass. I'm sorry, but I just don't see what all the fuss is over Korean cars....yes they have improved, but I don't believe they are at the top of heap as many believe they are...
But yet several on here feel certain automakers who made substandard vehicles for years and finally drove themselves in to the financial pitfall of bankruptcy get a free pass and all the sudden they are the best vehicles on the market, and bash those who feel they need their "20 years" to prove themselves.. Makes me wonder where the bias really is.
I don't want to start an argument but here's my thoughts. Hyundai's mpg is exxagerated there great warranty is exxagerated and they try to get out of warrantying things. And all the while all I hear is they are great cars now.... how can that be i haven't seen one yet that was any more impressive than anyone else and I haven't seen any real high mileage ones that haven't had some pretty good sized work. Sorry for the rant I have an aunt who is die hard hyundai. She had the first Gen excel and she has had Hyundai's ever since. I think its fair to say those old excels weren't good cars.
And I have dealt with several other brands (yes, GM especially) that do the exact same things. And just because YOU haven't seen what you think is a great car doesn't mean others have not. Apparently they are seeing things you are not, as the sales numbers are saying alot. I don' know what you consider high mileage, but one of my Hyundai's is at almost 160K with NEVER a dealer visit, CEL, or anything other than routine maintenance and a couple light bulbs. My 1987 Excel lasted 107K before it got crunched, with no issues as well except a leaky valve cover gasket. While the Excels at the time were not the most high quality cars, other Manufacturer's had their share of lemons, as well.
Originally Posted By: grampi
I think everything about all the Korean vehicles is exaggerated, their MPG ratings, their build quality, everything...consumers made the Japanese wait 20 years or more before giving them their due respect, but the Koreans get a free pass. I'm sorry, but I just don't see what all the fuss is over Korean cars....yes they have improved, but I don't believe they are at the top of heap as many believe they are...
But yet several on here feel certain automakers who made substandard vehicles for years and finally drove themselves in to the financial pitfall of bankruptcy get a free pass and all the sudden they are the best vehicles on the market, and bash those who feel they need their "20 years" to prove themselves.. Makes me wonder where the bias really is.
I dont quite understand all the exagerated statements, my wife owns a 2005 accent, it gets 29 mpg and she is the worse driver i know, i own a 2012 accent hatchback, just today filled up after a day of joy riding around the state and averaged 36.2 mpg. This car is rated for 30 city-40 highway so i would say its just about right. Even if it was a little low it still beats the 10 mpg dodge ram i traded in for it.
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Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
I don't want to start an argument but here's my thoughts. Hyundai's mpg is exxagerated there great warranty is exxagerated and they try to get out of warrantying things. And all the while all I hear is they are great cars now.... how can that be i haven't seen one yet that was any more impressive than anyone else and I haven't seen any real high mileage ones that haven't had some pretty good sized work. Sorry for the rant I have an aunt who is die hard hyundai. She had the first Gen excel and she has had Hyundai's ever since. I think its fair to say those old excels weren't good cars.
And I have dealt with several other brands (yes, GM especially) that do the exact same things. And just because YOU haven't seen what you think is a great car doesn't mean others have not. Apparently they are seeing things you are not, as the sales numbers are saying alot. I don' know what you consider high mileage, but one of my Hyundai's is at almost 160K with NEVER a dealer visit, CEL, or anything other than routine maintenance and a couple light bulbs. My 1987 Excel lasted 107K before it got crunched, with no issues as well except a leaky valve cover gasket. While the Excels at the time were not the most high quality cars, other Manufacturer's had their share of lemons, as well.
Originally Posted By: grampi
I think everything about all the Korean vehicles is exaggerated, their MPG ratings, their build quality, everything...consumers made the Japanese wait 20 years or more before giving them their due respect, but the Koreans get a free pass. I'm sorry, but I just don't see what all the fuss is over Korean cars....yes they have improved, but I don't believe they are at the top of heap as many believe they are...
But yet several on here feel certain automakers who made substandard vehicles for years and finally drove themselves in to the financial pitfall of bankruptcy get a free pass and all the sudden they are the best vehicles on the market, and bash those who feel they need their "20 years" to prove themselves.. Makes me wonder where the bias really is.
ALL makes have had, or still have their problems. All I'm saying is what I've seen from the Koreans doesn't make me believe they've gone from some of the worst cars on the market to the best as their proponents claim...in other words, I think they're overrated....
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
I don't want to start an argument but here's my thoughts. Hyundai's mpg is exxagerated there great warranty is exxagerated and they try to get out of warrantying things. And all the while all I hear is they are great cars now.... how can that be i haven't seen one yet that was any more impressive than anyone else and I haven't seen any real high mileage ones that haven't had some pretty good sized work. Sorry for the rant I have an aunt who is die hard hyundai. She had the first Gen excel and she has had Hyundai's ever since. I think its fair to say those old excels weren't good cars.
And I have dealt with several other brands (yes, GM especially) that do the exact same things. And just because YOU haven't seen what you think is a great car doesn't mean others have not. Apparently they are seeing things you are not, as the sales numbers are saying alot. I don' know what you consider high mileage, but one of my Hyundai's is at almost 160K with NEVER a dealer visit, CEL, or anything other than routine maintenance and a couple light bulbs. My 1987 Excel lasted 107K before it got crunched, with no issues as well except a leaky valve cover gasket. While the Excels at the time were not the most high quality cars, other Manufacturer's had their share of lemons, as well.
Originally Posted By: grampi
I think everything about all the Korean vehicles is exaggerated, their MPG ratings, their build quality, everything...consumers made the Japanese wait 20 years or more before giving them their due respect, but the Koreans get a free pass. I'm sorry, but I just don't see what all the fuss is over Korean cars....yes they have improved, but I don't believe they are at the top of heap as many believe they are...
But yet several on here feel certain automakers who made substandard vehicles for years and finally drove themselves in to the financial pitfall of bankruptcy get a free pass and all the sudden they are the best vehicles on the market, and bash those who feel they need their "20 years" to prove themselves.. Makes me wonder where the bias really is.
ALL makes have had, or still have their problems. All I'm saying is what I've seen from the Koreans doesn't make me believe they've gone from some of the worst cars on the market to the best as their proponents claim...in other words, I think they're overrated....
Originally Posted By: bowhuuntr
... i know, i own a 2012 accent hatchback ... it still beats the 10 mpg dodge ram i traded in for it.
Boy, Mr. Clint Eastwood is sure gonna kick your [censored]!
... i know, i own a 2012 accent hatchback ... it still beats the 10 mpg dodge ram i traded in for it.
Boy, Mr. Clint Eastwood is sure gonna kick your [censored]!
It all comes down to an outdated EPA testing system and regulations. Some cars happen to do well under this test system(or are designed to do well?), while others don't. The system does allow for one to compare two cars on a similar basis and if that basis is close to how that person drives, there are no problems.
In the end, the decision between a new Corolla/Civic/Elantra/etc. solely based upon gas mileage is a bit crazy. The monthly cost of the car far outweighs the fuel costs.
I personally like to check the trip computers in the cars I test drive. While some tend to be optimistic, they do give a glimpse into what kind of mpg is yielded when driven pretty hard.
In the end, the decision between a new Corolla/Civic/Elantra/etc. solely based upon gas mileage is a bit crazy. The monthly cost of the car far outweighs the fuel costs.
I personally like to check the trip computers in the cars I test drive. While some tend to be optimistic, they do give a glimpse into what kind of mpg is yielded when driven pretty hard.
In the end, the decision between a new Corolla/Civic/Elantra/etc. solely based upon gas mileage is a bit crazy. The monthly cost of the car far outweighs the fuel costs.
Sometimes it might seem this way, but if you are paying 80 dollars a week in fuel cost on a vehicle with no warranty and you trade it like i did for a new car with a warranty that will cost me on an average 25 dollars a week in fuel and a payment around 220 dollars, i think its a smart move. I didnt need a full size ram to do the thingd i choose, actually owning it prohibited me from enjoying some hobbies because fuel is a consideration in certain households. If i traveled to a 3-d shoot that 60 miles away its going to cost me 7.50 right now in fuel compared to the 10mpg I was getting in the ram, now i can attend more shoots without compromising.Thats just my opinion thou.
Sometimes it might seem this way, but if you are paying 80 dollars a week in fuel cost on a vehicle with no warranty and you trade it like i did for a new car with a warranty that will cost me on an average 25 dollars a week in fuel and a payment around 220 dollars, i think its a smart move. I didnt need a full size ram to do the thingd i choose, actually owning it prohibited me from enjoying some hobbies because fuel is a consideration in certain households. If i traveled to a 3-d shoot that 60 miles away its going to cost me 7.50 right now in fuel compared to the 10mpg I was getting in the ram, now i can attend more shoots without compromising.Thats just my opinion thou.
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