API emergency provision - Group 3

[buster]

Guessing that a purchase from a boutique or high end company will still get you exactly what you want. I can't imagine Redline, HPL or Amsoil would substitute Group II for PAO...

I think if you want more of a guarantee those are the 3 options, for now.

PAO is not in a shortage, so RL and HPL PP should be fine.

Amsoil likely is ok as well due to their extensive supplier agreements and storage.

 

[Foxtrot08]

Thanks for the info!
Well, do we know the percentage ratio of base oils for an oil to be called a synthetic blend? Was it 20-30% group III / PAO or less?

Nope. As far as my understanding, it can (legally) be 1%. But for practical purposes in formulation, it would probably need to in excess of 10%. Given it’s been a while since I was in that world. But to meet GF6 with a blend, you needed over 10% G3 to meet the cold crank with a 115VI G2 base oil still.

That being said, there’s all sorts of ways to solve the puzzle. And it depends on what your intentions are. Making a D1G3 Syn blend is probably only practically possible with a large amount of PAOs in a good group 2. Which, at that point… as I mentioned in another thread. Could that not be, practically better than a cheap, straight group 3?

 

[cheesepuffs2]

I think if you want more of a guarantee those are the 3 options, for now.

PAO is not in a shortage, so RL and HPL PP should be fine.

Amsoil likely is ok as well due to their extensive supplier agreements and storage.

The supplier agreements are out the window right now, are they not? I don’t think much of anything is guaranteed.

 

[FlyingTexan]

Gents, please refrain from politics or the thread will be locked. Thanks.

Can’t see the direct relation?

 

[Foxtrot08]

The supplier agreements are out the window right now, are they not? I don’t think much of anything is guaranteed.

Yes and no. As far as I know, none of the US based PAO (etc) suppliers have declared force majeure. So Ineos, ChevronPhillips and ExxonMobil Chemical are still taking orders for those products.

Korean based base oils are still being exported at contract minimums.

Neste (Chevron) and other EU based companies are still exporting products… currently.

I cannot speak for HPL. But Redline (P66) has a lot of depth in supply chain resources. Along with their relationship to ChevronPhillips, Excel Paralubes, Etc.

 

[ceecbtg]

API... these changing gear oil spec because "market tendency". Now is emergency, well. 90 days + months in stock where approval and quality are your dreams. I'll try to remember this production time to avoid like plague.

 

[Hirev]

Ok so API oils might not be so great these days but what about ILSAC GF-6, GF-7. Can they sidestep ILSAC certified oils ?

 

[OVERKILL]

Ok so API oils might not be so great these days but what about ILSAC GF-6, GF-7. Can they sidestep ILSAC certified oils ?

They are two sides of the same coin.

 

[Hohn]

Some of are stashed to the point where oil could disappear for couple years and we’d not notice.

 

[1444buicking]

At best, this is deceptive. The containers should be labeled appropriately with a sticker.

More infuriating, we are trying to keep piston rings clean and high-quality oil is a major part of that effort. How do we know what oil to use?

 

[kschachn]

At best, this is deceptive. The containers should be labeled appropriately with a sticker.

More infuriating, we are trying to keep piston rings clean and high-quality oil is a major part of that effort. How do we know what oil to use?

I'm confused here. So this allowable substitution means it will no longer meet the requirements for the license?

 

[Dave Hess]

You would need to go by the date code on the package. Could come from a warehouse somewhere.

Also just because the specs have been relaxed doesn't mean penzoil ever changed. Hence the problem with such specs being relaxed.

So unfortunately all anyone can do is speculate.

Date on dusty bottle at the back of shelf and you’ll be fine.

Stock clerks don’t rotate jugs of oil.