Since I’ll be a good sport this evening, I’ll say this: I would buy a good part of it if you said it was a combination of thinner recommended oils, single row timing chains, increased fuel, soot, and longer recommended oil change intervals.
API SL/SM Spec in the middle of SN era
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I also read in another thread that low SAPS oils come with performance compromises or can cost a lot because low-SAPS substitutes for those additives are very expensive ... or something to that effect. I think this was from one of the real experts!
I assume some of the cheaper oil may not be up to par unless they pass or have certain approvals dealing with the impacted areas ... But I ain't no expert.
Plenty of, for example, PFI Ford Cyclone V6s out there that have run 5W-20 their whole lives with no timing chain or wear related issues. Add GDI and suddenly engines start to have these sorts of issues.
Agreed totally that there are a combination of factors as you’ve listed, but soot is abrasive and certainly is a large contributor to timing chain wear.
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Are those looking for GDI soot? Because my understanding is that GDI soot is considerably finer than diesel soot, I posted the size specs on here some time back. So that number may not accurately reflect both the volume, and subsequently the effect that GDI soot has on engine parts.
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The 800ppm phosphorous limit on API SM and newer only applies to xW-30 grades and lower. xW-40 and 50 oils were/are not subject to the limit. This is why the full-SAPS Euro xW-40 oils continue to have considerably more phosphorous in them despite being API SP now.
Right now it’s a guess on my part, but when the engine is clearly identified as a gasoline engine why would they be testing for diesel soot?
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So the OP has nothing to worry about.
Is is why the Edge 5W30 is SL rated: It gets the same add pack as the XW40 including the higher ZDDP, which is above the xW30 range for SM and newer, but is the same add pack as for XW40 SP.
So the OP has nothing to worry about.
BMW has had chainwear issues on and off for decades.
The problem is probably a result of design choices, reduction in width of timing chains, materials choices.
The ONLY reason is phosphorous.
It is a better oil than 90% of offerings on Wal Mart shelves, all being SP.
Many chains aren’t fully floating in oil with adequate flow rates either but they are a lot smaller supposedly for “performance “.
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Would be a good question for Blackstone. The problem with GDI soot is that it goes right through most oil filters, as it's extremely fine.
This is also a Wal-Mart oil.
I had bought some Euro 0/5W-40 on sale and this was a narrower spread and a good oil (based on the aporovals) that caught my attention! Then I noticed the API classification ... and doubled checked the owner's manual and wondered why it doesn't say API SN in 2014?
I wasn't chasing a specific API necessarily and it wouldn't have stopped me from buying this oil anyway. Now if it was a dino, blend or a generic syn with API SL and no other approvals, I would have moved along.
Nah, I wasn’t mocking oils available in Wal Mart. I am saying, of oils offered, all of them, this would be top 10% together with M1 ESP, PPE 5W30 L, M10W40 etcThis is also a Wal-Mart oil.
I had bought some Euro 0/5W-40 on sale and this was a narrower spread and a good oil (based on the aporovals) that caught my attention! Then I noticed the API classification ... and doubled checked the owner's manual and wondered why it doesn't say API SN in 2014?
I wasn't chasing a specific API necessarily and it wouldn't have stopped me from buying this oil anyway. Now if it was a dino, blend or a generic syn with API SL and no other approvals, I would have moved along.
I know.
This Wal-Mart has all sorts of fancy oil. I've bought PP Euro L but haven't seen it lately. It's like Costco, if you see something you like, you should buy it right then. If I'm not mistaken, I even recall seeing Castrol 0W-30 but the price was kind of low and I figured it can't be the real GC.
Maybe it was 0W-20. I just checked and Castrol doesn't have any inexpensive 0W-30.
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I have never see GC 0W30 in Wal Mart. Euro L is readily available in my Wal Mart for 10yrs. Never out.
Found it on my local Walmart shelves. Snapped a photo. Great to see a brand new, reasonably priced API SL 5W30 on the market again. I wish they had introduced it 10 years ago. I'd buy it and use it if I hadn't already stocked up on 0W40 API SL which is what I'm running now. The API SN/SP oils proved to be no good in my older cars. Someone please do a VOA or UOA on this unique oil!
Most likely a VOA would show higher levels of elemental phosphorous and zinc than allowed by API SN/SP.
Mobil has one too. Currently more expensive at $31. But, the price seems to fluctuate. I got it for $26 a few months ago and delivered for free.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mobil-1-...-Synthetic-Motor-Oil-5W-30-5-Quart/1222098962
VOA:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/m1-fs-5w-30-euro-voa.386137/
Edit: both are in the VOA database that @himemsys maintains.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/voa-database.360118/
That is the case. It has been explained numerous times here.
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