im still scepticle even though I use it and soo many users on here do to. Hvae we ever seen solid proof with pictures that mmo does what it claims or what users claim that it cleans? pictures or teardowns to support it? or is this just a opinion based beliefe? id love to see real pics showing it does what users claim it does!
any solid proof mmo works in motors?
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Nope.
All anecdotal.
All anecdotal.
Maybe in a Model A, but nothing modern...
We can't even prove that Synthetic is better than partially hydrogenated cottonseed oil.
Tough to find any pictures for a product really. Even when you do find them, who's to say they are legitimate? I've seen ones they were filthy before, after the product, spotless! Literally spotless.
I don't know if it works or not... but I always imagine that if anyone really did travel from town to town in a wagon selling medicinal Snake Oil to the gullible townsfolk, it would come in bottles that look very much like bottles of MMO. ;-)
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Lots of anecdotes, and gas mileage logs from the folks who keep really good track.
Mainly it's a story of what didn't happen when you used MMO. Like no sludge in a high-mileage motor.
Mainly it's a story of what didn't happen when you used MMO. Like no sludge in a high-mileage motor.
Just like Seafoam, there are a large contingent of those that are faithful users that you will never convince otherwise.
MMO on the MSDS lists it as about 80% Napthaenic Solvent, 19%mineral oil, and 1% Chlorinated paraffin.
I have used it in gas mixed 50/50 with Bardhal Chemtool B-12 and I am convinced it is good for that purpose.
MMO is a decent cutting oil when I have been drilling in steel.
I know many who have used it on cars that the service details were unknown and they used it in the oil for several oil changes and it apparently helped quiet the valvetrain. I, have seen no mileage gain by using it, but I do believe my concoction once every 3K miles in the fuel has helped to keep the injectors clean. My ex-wife's '94 Honda Accord has 300K miles on it and fed a regular interval of MMO and B-12 since new and it has never had an injector problem or cleaning. It still gets over 30 mpg on the road and my son says it runs really good now that he is driving it.
I believe that today, the oil technology has advanced enough that with regular oil changes, nothing other than oil is necessary for adequate engine cleanliness. However, those that don't do proper maintenance, I can understand why they might want to use it. I would prefer to do a few short OCIs with a HDEO engine oil instead. On engines I worked on from the 60's and 70's, I ran into some really sludged up engines that I had to take the intake and oil pan off and clean the pickup. Then, use a scraper and a 3 lb. Folgers coffee can to scoop the sludge into. Those engines we ran Kerosene or Diesel fuel through and did a few short OCIs. This was usually successful.
As I have said to others in here, if they want to run solvents through their motor and it makes them feel better do it.
If you say they shouldn't they end up calling you a "basher."
To each his own.
MMO on the MSDS lists it as about 80% Napthaenic Solvent, 19%mineral oil, and 1% Chlorinated paraffin.
I have used it in gas mixed 50/50 with Bardhal Chemtool B-12 and I am convinced it is good for that purpose.
MMO is a decent cutting oil when I have been drilling in steel.
I know many who have used it on cars that the service details were unknown and they used it in the oil for several oil changes and it apparently helped quiet the valvetrain. I, have seen no mileage gain by using it, but I do believe my concoction once every 3K miles in the fuel has helped to keep the injectors clean. My ex-wife's '94 Honda Accord has 300K miles on it and fed a regular interval of MMO and B-12 since new and it has never had an injector problem or cleaning. It still gets over 30 mpg on the road and my son says it runs really good now that he is driving it.
I believe that today, the oil technology has advanced enough that with regular oil changes, nothing other than oil is necessary for adequate engine cleanliness. However, those that don't do proper maintenance, I can understand why they might want to use it. I would prefer to do a few short OCIs with a HDEO engine oil instead. On engines I worked on from the 60's and 70's, I ran into some really sludged up engines that I had to take the intake and oil pan off and clean the pickup. Then, use a scraper and a 3 lb. Folgers coffee can to scoop the sludge into. Those engines we ran Kerosene or Diesel fuel through and did a few short OCIs. This was usually successful.
As I have said to others in here, if they want to run solvents through their motor and it makes them feel better do it.
If you say they shouldn't they end up calling you a "basher."
To each his own.
Works? yea. What does it do? It dilutes the oil.
I don't use it, but I believe the members who say it works for them. I believe it's best for crankcase, and 2 cycle is better for a gas additive.
I'm not going to pass judgment either way on its functionality; I'm not in possession of evidence either way.
I will say this: its makers do have one major dilemma on their hands and that is the product's name. It might be the most effective additive ever made, yet its name just seems to reek, at least to me, of snake oil and hucksterism. The dilemma is that on the other hand, it has been around forever with that name, and it does have a following. So what do they do? Update the name and risk losing the recognition and following, or keep going with a name that today is guaranteed to generate skepticism and resistance from many more "modern" buyers???
Glad it's not my problem to figure out.
I will say this: its makers do have one major dilemma on their hands and that is the product's name. It might be the most effective additive ever made, yet its name just seems to reek, at least to me, of snake oil and hucksterism. The dilemma is that on the other hand, it has been around forever with that name, and it does have a following. So what do they do? Update the name and risk losing the recognition and following, or keep going with a name that today is guaranteed to generate skepticism and resistance from many more "modern" buyers???
Glad it's not my problem to figure out.
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I'm not going to pass judgment either way on its functionality; I'm not in possession of evidence either way.
I will say this: its makers do have one major dilemma on their hands and that is the product's name. It might be the most effective additive ever made, yet its name just seems to reek, at least to me, of snake oil and hucksterism. The dilemma is that on the other hand, it has been around forever with that name, and it does have a following. So what do they do? Update the name and risk losing the recognition and following, or keep going with a name that today is guaranteed to generate skepticism and resistance from many more "modern" buyers???
Glad it's not my problem to figure out.
They don't seem to think the name is a dilemma as it has been named that for a long time.
I'm not going to pass judgment either way on its functionality; I'm not in possession of evidence either way.
I will say this: its makers do have one major dilemma on their hands and that is the product's name. It might be the most effective additive ever made, yet its name just seems to reek, at least to me, of snake oil and hucksterism. The dilemma is that on the other hand, it has been around forever with that name, and it does have a following. So what do they do? Update the name and risk losing the recognition and following, or keep going with a name that today is guaranteed to generate skepticism and resistance from many more "modern" buyers???
Glad it's not my problem to figure out.
They don't seem to think the name is a dilemma as it has been named that for a long time.
Originally Posted By: ccapital83
Hvae we ever seen solid proof with pictures that mmo does what it claims or what users claim that it cleans? pictures or teardowns to support it?
OTOH, have we ever seen proof with pictures that it does an engine harm or has ever caused an engine failure?
I use it regularly and will continue to - but that's my choice. I'm not trying to force it onto everyone - but for me, I am happy with the results I get.
Rob
Hvae we ever seen solid proof with pictures that mmo does what it claims or what users claim that it cleans? pictures or teardowns to support it?
OTOH, have we ever seen proof with pictures that it does an engine harm or has ever caused an engine failure?
I use it regularly and will continue to - but that's my choice. I'm not trying to force it onto everyone - but for me, I am happy with the results I get.
Rob
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If you have a problem MMO would be one of several products that you might choose in an attempt to remedy it.
I can't quite see using it to prevent something. Oils are too good and are just fine the way that they are. If you develop a problem from not using it, some maintenance detail has to have been over looked.
It's like Pleasantville where your mother made sure that you had clean underwear on before you left the house "just in case", you got in an accident.
I can't quite see using it to prevent something. Oils are too good and are just fine the way that they are. If you develop a problem from not using it, some maintenance detail has to have been over looked.
It's like Pleasantville where your mother made sure that you had clean underwear on before you left the house "just in case", you got in an accident.
I've never used it as an oil or gas additive, so I can't comment on that. But I put a bowl of it in the fridge, and it seemed to keep odors in check. I generally put about 1/4 cup of it in the laundry, and that comes out fresher smelling. I'm pretty sure the colors are staying brighter longer, and the whites are whiter. A friend of mine used it on his carpet and reported good results. I think I read that they were coming out with a line of furnace filters.
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They don't seem to think the name is a dilemma as it has been named that for a long time.
My point is that, irrespective of what they are thinking (I don't know what they're thinking), they simply could not ever get away with a name change, without hugely risking loss of their following.
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They don't seem to think the name is a dilemma as it has been named that for a long time.
My point is that, irrespective of what they are thinking (I don't know what they're thinking), they simply could not ever get away with a name change, without hugely risking loss of their following.
The main reason I use it is for a UCL - and yes, it does help the mpg in my Metro (2-3 mpg better with MMO).
But I do agree that with oil technology today, it's probably not necessary in the crankcase with regular OCI's. Although an occasional add 1k before an OC doesn't seem to hurt.
Rob
But I do agree that with oil technology today, it's probably not necessary in the crankcase with regular OCI's. Although an occasional add 1k before an OC doesn't seem to hurt.
Rob
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Originally Posted By: ccapital83
im still scepticle even though I use it and soo many users on here do to. Hvae we ever seen solid proof with pictures that mmo does what it claims or what users claim that it cleans? pictures or teardowns to support it? or is this just a opinion based beliefe? id love to see real pics showing it does what users claim it does!
Seafoam works better.
"Proof?"
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1) it is in the Eye of the Beholder.
2) in the Eye of the Beholder, that ARE open to Agents acceleratig "Cleaning" by having Diluted SAFE Petroleum Solvents, they D see Cleaner Engines after Applicationn!!!
3) The Ratioo of "YES Use SeaFoam" to "NO Avoid it like the Plague" is at LEAST 10 to 2.
4) MMO (Marvel Mystery Oil) Kind fo fell into the same category as Slick 50 and ZMAX to me.. LIES. (And they are ont ehsame shelf. B-12 ChemTool an SeaFoam work Differently, but are the most effective.. Makes Techron overpriced, they say it works for Fuel but i say SeaFoam works and B-12 is stronger and cheaper.. and not as safe.)
5) Chemists and Engineers MADE SeaFoam. However, just like a Political discussion, when brought up for objecivity, its "Not Real" since the "Manufacturer said something good about their product...." .. never came up that MAYBE they KNEW what they were DOING.
This is all the "Proof" .. and I also cant "Prove" my Engine is Sludged, OR that the Sludge in it (if it is there) is BAD for it.. SAo.. goes to said "Proof," Even though i suspect ti is.
P.S.: Tear-Downs of Valve Covers and engine Insides DO show more Clean after some type of SeaFoam application over x number of miles vs not.. usually, SeaFoam ACCELERATES Oil Cleaning (Which ive read doesnt CLEAN OR De-Sludge NEARLY as Fast as Pennzoil says,) So...
Like Redf Bull and Rockstar, it has its purpose.
And one will bash "Energy Drinks" hilst sippinfg Coffee....
I think ive Illustrated tat CIRCUMSTANCIAL EVIDENCE points to SEAFOAM WORKS, while SEAFOAM HATER POLICE point to "Ingredients" (The Parts do not equal the whole, properties change as things are Mixed) say "Its Brake Cleaner" (and its not.)
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Goodnight i just got back in from work.
im still scepticle even though I use it and soo many users on here do to. Hvae we ever seen solid proof with pictures that mmo does what it claims or what users claim that it cleans? pictures or teardowns to support it? or is this just a opinion based beliefe? id love to see real pics showing it does what users claim it does!
Seafoam works better.
"Proof?"
........
1) it is in the Eye of the Beholder.
2) in the Eye of the Beholder, that ARE open to Agents acceleratig "Cleaning" by having Diluted SAFE Petroleum Solvents, they D see Cleaner Engines after Applicationn!!!
3) The Ratioo of "YES Use SeaFoam" to "NO Avoid it like the Plague" is at LEAST 10 to 2.
4) MMO (Marvel Mystery Oil) Kind fo fell into the same category as Slick 50 and ZMAX to me.. LIES. (And they are ont ehsame shelf. B-12 ChemTool an SeaFoam work Differently, but are the most effective.. Makes Techron overpriced, they say it works for Fuel but i say SeaFoam works and B-12 is stronger and cheaper.. and not as safe.)
5) Chemists and Engineers MADE SeaFoam. However, just like a Political discussion, when brought up for objecivity, its "Not Real" since the "Manufacturer said something good about their product...." .. never came up that MAYBE they KNEW what they were DOING.
This is all the "Proof" .. and I also cant "Prove" my Engine is Sludged, OR that the Sludge in it (if it is there) is BAD for it.. SAo.. goes to said "Proof," Even though i suspect ti is.
P.S.: Tear-Downs of Valve Covers and engine Insides DO show more Clean after some type of SeaFoam application over x number of miles vs not.. usually, SeaFoam ACCELERATES Oil Cleaning (Which ive read doesnt CLEAN OR De-Sludge NEARLY as Fast as Pennzoil says,) So...
Like Redf Bull and Rockstar, it has its purpose.
And one will bash "Energy Drinks" hilst sippinfg Coffee....
I think ive Illustrated tat CIRCUMSTANCIAL EVIDENCE points to SEAFOAM WORKS, while SEAFOAM HATER POLICE point to "Ingredients" (The Parts do not equal the whole, properties change as things are Mixed) say "Its Brake Cleaner" (and its not.)
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Goodnight i just got back in from work.
Seafoam is not a lube. Thereforet is not good to put in your crankcase.
It can clean.
The same argument can be had for paint thinner, which Seafoam contains [white spirits].
MMO is safe to use in your crankcase. It will clean.
MMO is great in your gas, esp with today's modern 10% alcohol fuels.
It can clean.
The same argument can be had for paint thinner, which Seafoam contains [white spirits].
MMO is safe to use in your crankcase. It will clean.
MMO is great in your gas, esp with today's modern 10% alcohol fuels.
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