Amsoil metric oil

[Alex D]

"Use AMSOIL 15W-50 Synthetic Metric Motorcycle Oil in
BMW, Ducati, KTM, Royal Enfield, Triumph, Yamaha and other
motorcycles that require 15W-50 motorcycle oil.
• API SM, JASO MA/MA2"

This from Amsoil but still waiting on retain check

"The 15w50 MFF is JASO MA/MA2 rated. We have not had a single report of an issue with that batch or any other batch of any of the Metric Motorcycle oils for that matter. Yes, we retain a sample of all batches of oil that leaves here. I will get with the lab to check that retain sample it may not be today or tomorrow."

As soon as I know more I will post.

Sounds good!!

 

[ZeeOSix]

Yes, shows JASO MA/MA2 ... but that is just print on a label

Many big name brands making motorcycle oil (like Castro, Valvoline, etc) just put the words that it meets or exceeds JASO MA/MA1/MA2 on the bottle and don't have the actual JASO registration logo. Does the Motorex 10W-50 have the official JASO registration logo on the bottle? Is it listed in the official JASO registration list?

 

[Alex D]

Many big name brands making motorcycle oil (like Castro, Valvoline, etc) just put the words that it meets or exceeds JASO MA/MA1/MA2 on the bottle and don't have the actual JASO registration logo. Does the Motorex 10W-50 have the official JASO registration logo on the bottle? Is it listed in the official JASO registration list?

Oes list MA cert ... JASO registration? ... Dunno ... haven't looked ... but Motorex don't make the clutch slip and I DID experience that something fierce ...

 

[ZeeOSix]

Oes list MA cert ... JASO registration? ...

Got a photo of the bottle where it references JASO? If it has the official JASO logo (and not just words) it will be easy to see. It's also possible to be registered and documented with JASO and not have the logo on the bottle. Castrol Power1 4T is that way, for example.

The JASO documents have been discussed many times in this forum with snip-its and links to the official JASO documentation.

 

[Alex D]

Got a photo of the bottle where it references JASO? If it has the official JASO logo (and not just words) it will be easy to see. It's also possible to be registered and documented with JASO and not have the logo on the bottle. Castrol Power1 4T is that way, for example.

The JASO documents have been discussed many times in this forum with snip-its and links to the official JASO documentation.

Didn't take a photo of the backside of the bottles, but it is there. Also you can check the Amsoil website for this oil and see that they spec it MA/MA2 (see below) ... please post link to the JASO documentation since you know where it is so we can read it too ... thanks!

 

[ZeeOSix]

Didn't take a photo of the backside of the bottles, but it is there.

I was originally asking about if the Motorex 10W-50 have the official JASO registration logo on the bottle (post 42).

Is there a JASO registration listed on the bottle, or does it just say it meets or exceeds JASO MA2?

Here's what the official JASO registration logo looks like - on the back of a bottle of YAMALUBE 10W-40. All the Asian bike makers (Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, etc) use the official JASO logo on their oil bottles.

Here's the official JASO registration list as of Dec 1, 2024 (PDF link below). It gets updated every month. There is only one Amsoil oil listed (row 46). Motorex has all kinds of entries in the registration list. Does the Motorex have an official JASO regisatration lable on the bottle?

https://www.jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/4T_EV_LIST.pdf

There are all kinds of long drawn out JASO discussion threads in this form, like this one. Just search this forum for the word JASO and you'll be reading for weeks, lol.

Thread 'HDEO and JASO'

Oct 3, 2022

Rotella T6 5w40, 15w40 and T4 15w40..... Shell states on the bottle that those three oils meet the JASO clutch cert.

Is anyone aware of any other HDEO that makes the same statement on their bottles?

I have three Super Walmarts within 30 miles of me and none of them have had the three oils above on the shelves for at least the last 3 months. My Rotella stash on my shelves is running very low. Sure, I found some on the shelf at Auto Zone, but they wanted $36 a bottle, rather than the $22-$24 a bottle that Walmart has it priced at.

I am aware that others have successfully used Delvac and...

• BigJohn
• Replies: 58
• Forum: Motorcycles and Motorcycle Lubrication

 

[ZeeOSix]

Here's a link to the the JASO 4-Stroke Motorcycle Oil documents.

https://www.jalos.or.jp/onfile/jaso_e-2.htm

Here's a link to the summary of updates on the motorcycle 4-stroke documents.

https://www.jalos.or.jp/onfile/jaso_e-2-1.htm - Revisions Announcement

 

[Bonz]

Question FarmForce: print on the label would be something "slapped up there", and not accurate from a reputable company when it isn't the official logo when claiming it meets the spec? Looking for clarification on the context.

 

[Alex D]

I was originally asking about if the Motorex 10W-50 have the official JASO registration logo on the bottle (post 42).

Is there a JASO registration listed on the bottle, or does it just say it meets or exceeds JASO MA2?

Here's what the official JASO registration logo looks like - on the back of a bottle of YAMALUBE 10W-40. All the Asian bike makers (Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, etc) use the official JASO logo on their oil bottles.

View attachment 255127

Here's the official JASO registration list as of Dec 1, 2024 (PDF link below). It gets updated every month. There is only one Amsoil oil listed (row 46). Motorex has all kinds of entries in the registration list. Does the Motorex have an official JASO regisatration lable on the bottle?

https://www.jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/4T_EV_LIST.pdf

View attachment 255125

There are all kinds of long drawn out JASO discussion threads in this form, like this one. Just search this forum for the word JASO and you'll be reading for weeks, lol.

Thread 'HDEO and JASO'

Oct 3, 2022

Rotella T6 5w40, 15w40 and T4 15w40..... Shell states on the bottle that those three oils meet the JASO clutch cert.

Is anyone aware of any other HDEO that makes the same statement on their bottles?

I have three Super Walmarts within 30 miles of me and none of them have had the three oils above on the shelves for at least the last 3 months. My Rotella stash on my shelves is running very low. Sure, I found some on the shelf at Auto Zone, but they wanted $36 a bottle, rather than the $22-$24 a bottle that Walmart has it priced at.

I am aware that others have successfully used Delvac and...

• BigJohn
• Replies: 58
• Forum: Motorcycles and Motorcycle Lubrication

Thanks for the Info!! Good stuff! I would say that hardly any oil company puts this "official" JASO registration logo on their bottle while they all claim JASO MA/MA2 compliant. They all comment on it in their specs and print something to that effect it on the bottle, but only the MC manufacturer oils (Yamalube, Kawa, etc.) sometimes have this JASO reg logo. BTW Motorex does not use the "official" JASO reg. logo either. Based on your info the Amsoil Metric 15W-50 is not JASO registered I guess.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Thanks for the Info!! Good stuff! I would say that hardly any oil company puts this "official" JASO registration logo on their bottle while they all claim JASO MA/MA2 compliant. They all comment on it in their specs and print something to that effect it on the bottle, but only the MC manufacturer oils (Yamalube, Kawa, etc.) sometimes have this JASO reg logo.

Yes, as I mentioned above. I have both Yamaha and Kawasaki oil in the garage, and they both have the official JASO registration label with the unique registration number on the logo as seen in post 46.

BTW Motorex does not use the "official" JASO reg. logo either. Based on your info the Amsoil Metric 15W-50 is not JASO registered I guess.

I also have Valvoline non-synthetic and full synthetic motorcycle oil (both 10W-40) in the garage, and neither of them have the JASO logo, and are not in the registration list I linked in post 46. Yet they say: "Meets or exceeds JASO MA2 API SL" on the bottles.

Also, there are 6 entries for Shell in the latest JASO registration list, but none are specifically "Rotella", yet some Rotella bottles say it meets JASO MA/MA2. It's all over the place, and why people are always so confused on JASO motorcycle oil.

 

[Alex D]

Yes, as I mentioned above. I have both Yamaha and Kawasaki oil in the garage, and they both have the official JASO registration label with the unique registration number on the logo as seen in post 46.


I also have Valvoline non-synthetic and full synthetic motorcycle oil (both 10W-40) in the garage, and neither of them have the JASO logo, and are not in the registration list I linked in post 46. Yet they say: "Meets or exceeds JASO MA2 API SL" on the bottles.

Also, there are 6 entries for Shell in the latest JASO registration list, but none are specifically "Rotella", yet some Rotella bottles say it meets JASO MA/MA2. It's all over the place, and why people are always so confused on JASO motorcycle oil.

I know, but basically MA/MA2 oils are automotive oils with maybe more anti wear additives and without the friction modifiers. Back in the 70s and 80s before friction modifiers, we ran any good quality 15W-40 or 20W-50 (usually API SE, then SF in the 80s) automotive engine oil in our motorcycles without any issues ever with the clutch.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I know, but basically MA/MA2 oils are automotive oils with maybe more anti wear additives and without the friction modifiers. Back in the 70s and 80s before friction modifiers, we ran any good quality 15W-40 or 20W-50 (usually API SE, then SF in the 80s) automotive engine oil in our motorcycles without any issues ever with the clutch.

That's why it's wise to use a JASO rated oil in motorcycles these days. That's also why JASO was invented in the first place around 1998-2000, because automotive oil formulations changed and were becoming too slippery for wet clutch use.

 

[Mackelroy]

So im using Amsoil 15W-50 metric motorcycle full synthetic on a 2011 Triumph Bonnieville T100 865 cc air cooled efi bike.Triumph calls for Castrol power 1 15w50 full synthetic. Always used Amsoil on all my bikes and trucks with no problem but have been told by a few mechanics that using the Amsoil metric motorcycle oil on a Triumph would make the bike s valves sound louder more of a ticking noise almost every bike I owned all make this sound and its totally normal u can tell when a adjustment is needed when its real loud.My question why would Amsoil make a bikes valves sound louder its my first Triumph motorcycle after riding Harleys and Indians for many years witch are no quiet bikes by any means So far my triumph is not any louder but im just curious if anyone experianced this or heard of this with Amsoil on a Triumph

Nothing to do with valve itself, more to do with cam lobes slapping the buckets or shims, if a difference was detected.

 

[Alex D]

That's why it's wise to use a JASO rated oil in motorcycles these days. That's also why JASO was invented in the first place around 1998-2000, because automotive oil formulations changed and were becoming too slippery for wet clutch use.

YEs, but most MC oils aren't "offically" JASO rated even though they print it on the jug (like Amsoil) and it also works most of the time because they are formulated without friction modifiers. Only using officially JASO rated oils reduces your choices tremendously ... BTW none of the Motorex motorcycle oils are JASO rated either.

 

[grampi]

Amsoil is good oil. It’s not even really more expensive in the motorcycle flavors. Run it. It’s fine.

Triumphs need all the help they can get. Ask me how I know…

Motorcycle grade Amsoil is $15+ a qt. Walmart's Super Tech is less than $9 a qt, and Rotella is even less...

 

[grampi]

Some people will have some sort of a personal bias against Amsoil. That's just the way it is.

I've run Amsoil for 120,000 miles in two different Goldwings, along with Mobil 1 for 30,000 miles. I've never noticed any difference.

What you experienced is that brand doesn't matter. Only spec, weight, and oil type (full syn or blend) matter...

 

[Alex D]

The best all-around oil for classic 70s and 80s bikes that cannot deal with synth oil like my 1978 XS1100 is Valvoline 4T MC 10W-40 (actually its specs are that of a 20W-40 oil!) and Driven HR 1 15W-50 conventional oil.

 

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

Motorcycle grade Amsoil is $15+ a qt. Walmart's Super Tech is less than $9 a qt, and Rotella is even less...

Amsoil is $12.19 per qt, which is as much or less than what you can usually find Castrol Power 4t and Mobil1 4t. Supertech is $8.72 per qt. The question then becomes whether you think the Amsoil will last 50% longer.

I personally think it will. I only change every other season depending on miles ridden.

Rotella returned such poor anti-foaming results in the HPL lab that I personally would never put that stuff in a bike.

 

[Bonz]

I know, but basically MA/MA2 oils are automotive oils with maybe more anti wear additives and without the friction modifiers. Back in the 70s and 80s before friction modifiers, we ran any good quality 15W-40 or 20W-50 (usually API SE, then SF in the 80s) automotive engine oil in our motorcycles without any issues ever with the clutch.

I've said it before, and it's tongue and cheek sounding, but it's a legit question. What is the magic pixie dust that makes up friction modifiers that no one has been able to identify or name?

 

[ZeeOSix]

YEs, but most MC oils aren't "offically" JASO rated even though they print it on the jug (like Amsoil) and it also works most of the time because they are formulated without friction modifiers. Only using officially JASO rated oils reduces your choices tremendously ... BTW none of the Motorex motorcycle oils are JASO rated either.

Everyone's definition of "JASO rated" seems to be different. It's either registered with JASO or it's not. The official JASO registration list (see link in post 46) is updated monthly. If an oil maker says it "meets JASO" on the bottle and it's not registered then most likely it will still work OK on a wet clutch unless they out right lie about the claim without doing any testing to make such a claim.

So an oil will be one of the following:
1) Not JASO rated, no claim it "meets" JASO specs on the bottle.
2) Says it "meets JASO specs on the bottle, but it's not officially registered with JASO.
3) Says meets JASO specs and is officially registered with JASO. It's listed in the official JASO registration list. It may or may not have the official JASO registrations logo on the bottle.

Per post 46, there are many Motorex motorcycle oils listed in the official JASO registration list. It also says meets JASO specs on the bottle, but doesn't have the official registration logo on the bottle.