I don't think you are an Amsoil hater, I just want to find out what happened. I assume you don't have the bottle of oil? I would love a sample, or the bottle, or the batch code from the bottle and I will contact Amsoil. Thanks.
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I don't think you are an Amsoil hater, I just want to find out what happened. I assume you don't have the bottle of oil? I would love a sample, or the bottle, or the batch code from the bottle and I will contact Amsoil. Thanks.
I don't think you are an Amsoil hater, I just want to find out what happened. I assume you don't have the bottle of oil? I would love a sample, or the bottle, or the batch code from the bottle and I will contact Amsoil. Thanks.
Unfortunately I did not retain the old oil ... it went into my old oil container. I can get you the lot numbers but need to fish the bottles out of my recycling bin in the morning.
I inform my customers before they buy Asmoil listen to what Dan Watson says...
Amsoil rep states in this video that Mobil 1 0w30 SM is the base oil
to all their auto synthetics and Mobil 1 5w30 SN is the base to all
their diesel synthetics... in their view Mobil 1 is the premium POA...
Quote
"0W30 is a better oil. the 0W30 is a premium synthetic in the 30
weights... and the reason for that is and you'll see some adds from
Mobil this is our our premium PAO their talking about it now and this
is what Amsoil has bought for years from Mobil for the 0W30 is the
more expensive highly purified perfect PAO base stock from Mobil it
cost more money but it is the premium one... so their not charging us
this extra money for the 0W30 just to charge us extra money they are
paying more money for that superior base stock they buy to go into it
so it is the premium of the 30 weights. I think its the same, I think
its the same, no I think its the same base stock one for a 5w30 for
diesel and one 0W30 for gasoline application."
Amsoil rep states in this video that Mobil 1 0w30 SM is the base oil
to all their auto synthetics and Mobil 1 5w30 SN is the base to all
their diesel synthetics... in their view Mobil 1 is the premium POA...
Quote
"0W30 is a better oil. the 0W30 is a premium synthetic in the 30
weights... and the reason for that is and you'll see some adds from
Mobil this is our our premium PAO their talking about it now and this
is what Amsoil has bought for years from Mobil for the 0W30 is the
more expensive highly purified perfect PAO base stock from Mobil it
cost more money but it is the premium one... so their not charging us
this extra money for the 0W30 just to charge us extra money they are
paying more money for that superior base stock they buy to go into it
so it is the premium of the 30 weights. I think its the same, I think
its the same, no I think its the same base stock one for a 5w30 for
diesel and one 0W30 for gasoline application."
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That guy is a dealer, he really is not speaking for Amsoil, he is speaking for what he is guessing. He does not work for Amsoil period.
And he was wrong 14+ years ago
This has been posted many times.
Mercy Pablo... do you speak for Amsoil or are you also dealer saying Dan is wrong??? and there is no truth that Amsoil employs Mobil as a base oil???
If not Mobil 1 who's base oil is in Amsoil???
If not Mobil 1 who's base oil is in Amsoil???
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BLS, who do you say supplies Amsoil their oil? If there's a problem, come up with a solution or at least information to add to the discussion.
I'll put my money on Pablo, no questions asked! Pablo, who does Amsoil use as a base oil supplier? Are you privy to that information? Is it different based on which line of oils it is?
Currently running Amsoil 20w50 metric in my 2001 ZRX 1200 that I got from Pablo a number of years ago (oil, not the bike lol...). I noticed some resistance to gear changes like there was more friction in the clutch plates, early on in the oil change interval, however with 3500 miles on the OCI it's a non-issue. I had a Redline 20w50 in for the previous 5000 mile OCI, I would not expect things would feel exactly the same when a new oil is introduced. Every oil is going to be different, to pigeon hole one oil or another is just looking for forum fodder to make an argument.
Once I get 5000 miles, the sample will be sent in and I'll post up like I have for the past 50,000 miles on the same bike.
I'll put my money on Pablo, no questions asked! Pablo, who does Amsoil use as a base oil supplier? Are you privy to that information? Is it different based on which line of oils it is?
Currently running Amsoil 20w50 metric in my 2001 ZRX 1200 that I got from Pablo a number of years ago (oil, not the bike lol...). I noticed some resistance to gear changes like there was more friction in the clutch plates, early on in the oil change interval, however with 3500 miles on the OCI it's a non-issue. I had a Redline 20w50 in for the previous 5000 mile OCI, I would not expect things would feel exactly the same when a new oil is introduced. Every oil is going to be different, to pigeon hole one oil or another is just looking for forum fodder to make an argument.
Once I get 5000 miles, the sample will be sent in and I'll post up like I have for the past 50,000 miles on the same bike.
I am not privy to formulation or suppliers, but reports over the years tell me one thing: Amsoil buys to their own specifications. If they they need any viscosity base oil of a specific type they will buy from the supplier who makes that base oil. Chevron, Exxon Mobil, etc
Fwiw, I edited/added to my post as Pablo was quoting me. Please see my post above his for the full content.
So you're not privy to the supplier but reports over the years tell you that Amsoil will buy base oil from Chevron, Exxon Mobil... So Dan's video statement could be true that Amsoil base is indeed Mobil 1...
Amsoil started as and continues to be an oil blender of some major companies oil... Amsoil is not an oil driller of their own well in the ground... It would not kill them to print on the bottle the source of the base oil...
Despite the astonishing disclosure of Amsoil base oil if my customer still wishes to ante up for Amsoil at $12.95 qt whereas Mobil 1 is $5.40 qt... no problem I shall support their choice...
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Bonz...
I can not say personally even thought I use to be an strong Amsoil dealer but I find Dan's astonishing disclosure in the video credible... apparently he still has creds with Amsoil...
"Dan Watson is the owner of D&J Diversified specializing in Synthetic lubrication and consulting since 1991. He is an Amsoil Inc. Direct Jobber with Industrial and Fleet certifications. Dan is also a Certified Lubrication Specialist (STLE). CLS was established by the Society of
Tribologist and Lubrication Engineers (STLE) to recognize those people in the lubrication field who had achieved a high level of experience and training in the industry."
"Dan is a retired US Navy Lt. Commander with extensive experience and training in Nuclear Propulsion and engineering. With over 22 years of hands on engineering experience in all aspects of nuclear submarine equipment and maintenance followed by 23 years in the lubrication business he brings a unique knowledge to his current field of lubrication sales and consulting."
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Watson has no more access to formulas than I do. What Amsoil "creds" does he have? I am a Amsoil Premier Direct Jobber and do not have access nor does ANY other level of dealer.
The man is speculating. Period. Plus that was nearly 15 years ago. Does not matter at all about the rest of his qualifications. "I think......." means he does not know for sure.
I mean if anything he is way out of date. Now Amsoil never says the 0W-30 is superior to the other Signature Series oils. They used to say the Series 2000 0W-30 and Series 3000 5W-30 were the top oils. Sure Amsoil has purchased PAO from Exxon-Mobil, but are Exxon-Mobil's PAO's the best on the market? He says this as truth and it's not the case.
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Thank you. We see this all the time, extraneous "qualifications" that are meaningless in the context of the discussion.
Especially in this instance, other times things such as "used by NASA".
Who cares where Amsoil buys their base oils from? It does not make it the same formula as Mobil 1 or whoever. Amsoil is a custom blended oil with high quality ingredients of their choosing.
Exactly.
As I have been writing: Amsoil buys the ingredients to specification. This does not mean the additives/oils are all custom made, specifications are often written to match needs/suppliers specifications - and Amsoil checks those ingredients upon arrival. Not a difficult concept nor does it make them unique or better than other blenders.
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Pablo ... I fished the bottles back out of the trash ... pictures attached including a close up of the apparent lot number (they re all the same). I bought these directly from Amsoil since I am a preferred customer. I also use Amsoil gear oils and automotive oils in our vehicles and have used Amsoil products for at least 30 years.
Bottom line for me is: This oil is inferior for the KTM LC8c clutch because it immediately caused the clutch to slip under full power application after the oil/filter change. I bought this bike new and my bike is meticulously serviced. It has about 5500 miles now and I do oil changes every 2500 miles because of the camshaft issues with these engines. It NEVER before experienced even the slightest clutch slippage and the slippage was gone after I changed oil and filter back to Motorex 10W-50 (what a friggin waste ... the oil was only in the for under 100 miles). Long-standing and very reputable KTM shops like Rotweiler and Pirate Racing have commented that they believe the Motorex Power Synth 10W-50 is too thin of an oil for these engines. So for that reason, I wanted to go with a 15W-50 since Motorex only makes Power Synth in 10W-50 and 10W-60 and the 10W-60 is super expensive. My experience with Amsoil over the past 30 years is entirely positive. I believe that this oil is on the slippery side of an MA spec (MA2 has a higher friction coefficient) and that the KTM LC8c clutch needs a higher friction oil than maybe most other bikes, so at the grabby end of MA2. I don't dispute that this oil is great in other MC engines with wet clutches, but I would strongly advise not to use it in a KTM LC8 and LC8c engine.
Thanks. Report submitted. I may or may not be your dealer, all Preferred Customers have dealers. No worries.
I will let you know what I find out.
My servicing dealer is Michael Mathe, Jonesborough, TN
Does the back of the bottle list any kind of JASO rating?My experience with Amsoil over the past 30 years is entirely positive. I believe that this oil is on the slippery side of an MA spec (MA2 has a higher friction coefficient) and that the KTM LC8c clutch needs a higher friction oil than maybe most other bikes, so at the grabby end of MA2. I don't dispute that this oil is great in other MC engines with wet clutches, but I would strongly advise not to use it in a KTM LC8 and LC8c engine.
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"Use AMSOIL 15W-50 Synthetic Metric Motorcycle Oil in
BMW, Ducati, KTM, Royal Enfield, Triumph, Yamaha and other
motorcycles that require 15W-50 motorcycle oil.
• API SM, JASO MA/MA2"
This from Amsoil but still waiting on retain check
"The 15w50 MFF is JASO MA/MA2 rated. We have not had a single report of an issue with that batch or any other batch of any of the Metric Motorcycle oils for that matter. Yes, we retain a sample of all batches of oil that leaves here. I will get with the lab to check that retain sample it may not be today or tomorrow."
As soon as I know more I will post.
BMW, Ducati, KTM, Royal Enfield, Triumph, Yamaha and other
motorcycles that require 15W-50 motorcycle oil.
• API SM, JASO MA/MA2"
This from Amsoil but still waiting on retain check
"The 15w50 MFF is JASO MA/MA2 rated. We have not had a single report of an issue with that batch or any other batch of any of the Metric Motorcycle oils for that matter. Yes, we retain a sample of all batches of oil that leaves here. I will get with the lab to check that retain sample it may not be today or tomorrow."
As soon as I know more I will post.
Yes, shows JASO MA/MA2 ... but that is just print on a label
