i got 4 bottles now, ordering more next week for the rest of the fleet.
Amsoil Flush
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i got 4 bottles now, ordering more next week for the rest of the fleet.
Was the rinse cycle done with synthetic?
I honestly dont think it really matters, what kind of oil was used for the "holly" rinse phase..!.
Obviously engine oil was used, ---- whether it was mineral or synthetic can't honestly make that big of a difference... If it did then there would be big bold letters on the product.."do not use syn oil with auto-rx!"
stop trying to come up with reasons , why a simple solvent outpreformed 3 boutique treatments , & removed 2 filters worth of sludge , in 20-30 mins of idle time.
My post might be a little bias, I have never used auto-rx. However I have read a lot of posts from users experiencing a less than stellar preformance from the product.
The oil coming out of the car did not really look dirty, even after the rinse phase, so how can there be cleaning going on ??????
I have done multiple flushes on engines before with 20w-50 oil, .....,once I did 3 flushes in one day on the same engine , and after each drain, the oil was a little cleaner.
This has worked on over 35+ cars in 15 years, no problems what so ever,
Obviously engine oil was used, ---- whether it was mineral or synthetic can't honestly make that big of a difference... If it did then there would be big bold letters on the product.."do not use syn oil with auto-rx!"
stop trying to come up with reasons , why a simple solvent outpreformed 3 boutique treatments , & removed 2 filters worth of sludge , in 20-30 mins of idle time.
My post might be a little bias, I have never used auto-rx. However I have read a lot of posts from users experiencing a less than stellar preformance from the product.
The oil coming out of the car did not really look dirty, even after the rinse phase, so how can there be cleaning going on ??????
I have done multiple flushes on engines before with 20w-50 oil, .....,once I did 3 flushes in one day on the same engine , and after each drain, the oil was a little cleaner.
This has worked on over 35+ cars in 15 years, no problems what so ever,
Hey Lonnie...yes I always clean and rinse my AUTORX with Castrol GTX 10 -30.....I want to be clear here....
The Dodge was raced on occasion for the first part of it's life....it hasn't been raced for quite sometime now....The original owner used Amsoil exclusively....I use PP or Shaeffers.....no fuel has ever shown up in any UOA.....it is not a "sludge monster".....My post was an observation.....I spoke with Frank this morning....he is of the mind there was a build up in the pan that got broken up and circulated by the Amsoil Flush....cannot say I disagree....nevertheless....an observation and not any slam on AutoRX at all.....I love that stuff....I also now feel a flush every so often isn't a bad thing for even the most ardent AutoRX user.....IMHO.......Lastly...yes I have seen the top end of the motor as after I bought it we did a valve job and changed cams and springs.....wasnt bad at all considering the abuse that motor had taken...so the Amsoil did a great job of keeping the top end clean for sure....I AUTORX'd it after the valve job and the top end was/remains very nice and clean.....this "stuff" from last nights OCI definitely came from the pan IMHO.....On the Mercedes and the GTO I always use the oil extractor and drain both to get it all out.....I probably need to do the same on the Dodge from now on.....I am very impressed with the Amsoil Engine Flush though and do not wish to belittle it's abilities at all.....
The Dodge was raced on occasion for the first part of it's life....it hasn't been raced for quite sometime now....The original owner used Amsoil exclusively....I use PP or Shaeffers.....no fuel has ever shown up in any UOA.....it is not a "sludge monster".....My post was an observation.....I spoke with Frank this morning....he is of the mind there was a build up in the pan that got broken up and circulated by the Amsoil Flush....cannot say I disagree....nevertheless....an observation and not any slam on AutoRX at all.....I love that stuff....I also now feel a flush every so often isn't a bad thing for even the most ardent AutoRX user.....IMHO.......Lastly...yes I have seen the top end of the motor as after I bought it we did a valve job and changed cams and springs.....wasnt bad at all considering the abuse that motor had taken...so the Amsoil did a great job of keeping the top end clean for sure....I AUTORX'd it after the valve job and the top end was/remains very nice and clean.....this "stuff" from last nights OCI definitely came from the pan IMHO.....On the Mercedes and the GTO I always use the oil extractor and drain both to get it all out.....I probably need to do the same on the Dodge from now on.....I am very impressed with the Amsoil Engine Flush though and do not wish to belittle it's abilities at all.....
Yes there is some unknown early history on the engine but it's common practice when one is tracking a vehicle to keep the oil change intervals short. Amsoil has a reputation as being a top notch product. This is the first time I've heard of a engine using Amsoil, possibly from day one, that's developed or perhaps has a on-going sludge issue. I assume we can rule out a faulty PVC valve as being the culprit.
FWIW, I tried the Amsoil flush on both of my cars before I tried their oil. The oil came out dark but I did not notice anything like Sarge has.
2 runs of ARX has produced very noticable results and there was considerable amount of junk that came out with the oil.
2 runs of ARX has produced very noticable results and there was considerable amount of junk that came out with the oil.
I say again...it hasn't had Amsoil for over 60K....it was the first owner that used Amsoil
I agree. There are far too many positive results that have been reported on this forum regarding A-Rx to dismiss the product based on a single experience. I feel much more comfortable utilizing a product that does not contain any potentially harmful solvents. I feel that many of the benefits of A-Rx are not easliy visible.
I am equally curious why the continued use of a synthetic oil allowed this much gunk to form. Sounds like there may be more to question than simply the effectiveness of A-Rx vs. the Amsoil flush.
I am equally curious why the continued use of a synthetic oil allowed this much gunk to form. Sounds like there may be more to question than simply the effectiveness of A-Rx vs. the Amsoil flush.
Well if the top end was still squeekee clean and there were no ring issues leading to a fuel dilute and contamiant build up. Where did all this material come from. It must have been stuck down in the pan.
Sarge, anything unique with this pan, whereby it might not drain as well as most? Perhaps an oversized one perhaps for racing.
I ask because did a little garage experiment with a container I use to drain the oil on a Kohler motor in my lawn tractor. It is a clear polypropylene 2 quart container.
I usually have it dumped at the quick change lube place around the corner. But is usually 4-6 months before each oil change, so the spent oil sits in the bottle for at least a couple months. Over a couple years there wasd quite a few drains into this bottle. A large accumulation of crud had built up over the years. Petroleum hydrocarbons did very little to dissolve it. Sure the solvent that I swished around came out black, but in the overall scheme it did little. I even tryed some straight LC20 and that did about the same, may be less. A little ARX and fresh oil dissolved it quite rapidly. Could see right through the bottom afterwards. No $&*#. So I am still puzzled why the sloshing action of the crank with ARX installed didn't pick this up out of the pan on a prior run.
Sarge, anything unique with this pan, whereby it might not drain as well as most? Perhaps an oversized one perhaps for racing.
I ask because did a little garage experiment with a container I use to drain the oil on a Kohler motor in my lawn tractor. It is a clear polypropylene 2 quart container.
I usually have it dumped at the quick change lube place around the corner. But is usually 4-6 months before each oil change, so the spent oil sits in the bottle for at least a couple months. Over a couple years there wasd quite a few drains into this bottle. A large accumulation of crud had built up over the years. Petroleum hydrocarbons did very little to dissolve it. Sure the solvent that I swished around came out black, but in the overall scheme it did little. I even tryed some straight LC20 and that did about the same, may be less. A little ARX and fresh oil dissolved it quite rapidly. Could see right through the bottom afterwards. No $&*#. So I am still puzzled why the sloshing action of the crank with ARX installed didn't pick this up out of the pan on a prior run.
Sarge, I think you have the problem in hand. And nicholas, don't take a shot at me when you only have second hand knowledge of either product. This thread is a dialog. No one is trying to come up with excuses. Try either product and come back when you have some first hand knowledge. Information gained here should be tempered with experience. You're starting on the right foot by figuring out that engine oil was used, a pretty stupid statement on this forum. If you look at Sarge's problem I think that the Auto-Rx cleaned the lubricated parts and the gunk was carried away. There must have been some buildup in the pan before any treatments. The cleaning was less there because of lower average temp's and the slower movement of oil. I don't think there was something evil going on. And remember that Sarge is an experiment in one. We have less than complete knowledge as stated by Sarge, about this application. If you don’t like a product then please tell us more than it’s an overpriced boutique treatment.
Even if it was sludge in the pan, there would have to be an very high ammount, to turn 5 litres of fresh oil...BLACK....!, not brown...BLACK .....,
I have even seen many before and after pic's of ATUO-RX users, and those are not even flattering......,
if someone wants to go digging, I remember a post from bob himself. - I will try to find it.
He had before and after pics of a car with a sludged/varnished valve train...., bob claimed to use 1 bottle of nutura and 1 bottle of ATF for 1,000miles...., and after that treatment, the valve train was spotless....,
I think this thread is another example that atuo-rx cleans at a very mild rate., too mild for my taste.., and to me the proof is in the pudding......, if auto rx is cleaning, that sludge has to go somewhere...., and in some cases it is not coming out with the oil......even if it was in the oil filter the oil coming out of the block should be dark.
all the 10-20min flushes I have ever done the NEW oil came out very dark in some cases black, not honey gold.
It does not add up.... one can only speculate, if the OP did an amsoil flush every 25k miles instead of auto RX. I think his engine would be much cleaner.
Im sure auto-rx is good stuff, in this forum its the cure all and be all., there are more posts about this product than anything else. And the pictures, and reviews I have read still have not swayed me to buy a bottle.
I might go out and see if I can find a bottle of Amsoil flush .
I have even seen many before and after pic's of ATUO-RX users, and those are not even flattering......,
if someone wants to go digging, I remember a post from bob himself. - I will try to find it.
He had before and after pics of a car with a sludged/varnished valve train...., bob claimed to use 1 bottle of nutura and 1 bottle of ATF for 1,000miles...., and after that treatment, the valve train was spotless....,
I think this thread is another example that atuo-rx cleans at a very mild rate., too mild for my taste.., and to me the proof is in the pudding......, if auto rx is cleaning, that sludge has to go somewhere...., and in some cases it is not coming out with the oil......even if it was in the oil filter the oil coming out of the block should be dark.
all the 10-20min flushes I have ever done the NEW oil came out very dark in some cases black, not honey gold.
It does not add up.... one can only speculate, if the OP did an amsoil flush every 25k miles instead of auto RX. I think his engine would be much cleaner.
Im sure auto-rx is good stuff, in this forum its the cure all and be all., there are more posts about this product than anything else. And the pictures, and reviews I have read still have not swayed me to buy a bottle.
I might go out and see if I can find a bottle of Amsoil flush .
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check out this post., auto-rx was not needed to get this engine squeaky clean .!
check out this post., auto-rx was not needed to get this engine squeaky clean .!
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
Yea read that good post, cleaned very well and allot cheaper
then ARX.
Pictures look like the concoction did well on dino varnish stains in the string mentioned above. All it really takes is a few drops of oil based printing ink into 4 quarts of fresh oil to make it black and nasty looking. Newspaper lack ink applied in offset printing is either mineral or soy based oil filled with carbon black. Trust me a little goes a long way. Just making the point that it takes very little carbon dispered in oil to make it black. The the discussion of black, not brown, doesn't wash with me.
I think printing ink and engine sludge are not the same.
If there was that much sludge in the pan, then dont you think it would have turned the oil very black, very early after the oil change ?
Bottom line, a solvent did a better job at cleaning out the internals of the OP's engine, compared to 3 Auto-RX treatments.
3 treatments people............!, thats $80. !!
Auto-RX liquifies sludge, that sludge should then exit the engine via the drain plug.,
A $10 solvent did a better job after 20-30mins...!
After 3 Amsoil / solvent treatments you could probably eat off of the exposed valvetrain ...!
If there was that much sludge in the pan, then dont you think it would have turned the oil very black, very early after the oil change ?
Bottom line, a solvent did a better job at cleaning out the internals of the OP's engine, compared to 3 Auto-RX treatments.
3 treatments people............!, thats $80. !!
Auto-RX liquifies sludge, that sludge should then exit the engine via the drain plug.,
A $10 solvent did a better job after 20-30mins...!
After 3 Amsoil / solvent treatments you could probably eat off of the exposed valvetrain ...!
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You obviously don't like/want to use arx and that's certainly your right. We get the point and we've just trying to figure out what's going on here.
anybody ever tried a flush with LC20? My .02 for free...I did it on my rig and had great results.
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