Amsoil 0W-30, 14,198 MILES, 1993 Civic

[Pablo]

Agreed but the filter Mag should be catching a lot more of the iron if it was doing its job I would think.

Overkill killed it with a good answer.

UOA is/are (basically) metals in solution. In solution means not sticking to a magnet - that is A) Hot and B) on the other side of a steel wall (can).

Never seen a magnet drop Fe in a PCMO UOA even if, somehow there was a perfect before and after way to replicate showing"lower" Fe.

Nice thought but not real.

EDIT: NOT saying magnets don't work or don't have their place on drain and sometimes fill plugs in diffs, MT's etc

 

[kschachn]

20 iron? I was going to buy a FilterMag but not now... I would think with those "super strong" magnets they advertise, that iron would be lower than that. How's your air filter? Silicon seems high as well.

There's little guarantee that the iron that shows up on an ICP analysis would be caught by a magnet.

 

[kschachn]

UOA's sample an extremely narrow range of particles, and that range is on the extreme end of the small scale. The particles large enough to end up on the magnet are too large to be picked up by a UOA.

Yes as member edhackett has noted, ICP analysis would not be able to detect whether there was an oil filter or not. Neither a filter magnet nor the filter itself will remove metals in solution.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...ion-about-method-of-uoas.337930/#post-5690515

 

[Titan]

You would think todays cars could get better mileage

My 2018 Camry 2.5 can get over 50 mpg with three adults in the car if I keep to the speed limit on non-interstate roads. At 70-75 mph, it routinely gets in the mid-40's. Just over 200 HP naturally aspirated...amazing to me. 2014 2.4 Accord with CVT can get right at 40 mpg on the interstate. So, "today's cars" can get better mileage, no doubt.

 

[dezlpwr]

There's little guarantee that the iron that shows up on an ICP analysis would be caught by a magnet.

So you're saying save the $110 I would spend on a FilterMag? I'm liking the sound of that more and more.

 

[kschachn]

So you're saying save the $110 I would spend on a FilterMag? I'm liking the sound of that more and more.

Who said that? Any ferrous particle that's kept out of the oil stream is a good thing. Why wouldn't it be?

Just because an ICP may not show the particles doesn't mean it is best they remain in the oil. You've got that conflated.

 

[Revving2Redline]

Consuming two quarts in 6 thousand miles? How long has that been going on? Considered running 5w30 synthetic?

 

[harry j]

Consuming two quarts in 6 thousand miles? How long has that been going on? Considered running 5w30 synthetic?

The original engine now has close to 636,000 miles, how many engine even make it that far? And if they did, how much oil would they use.
Did you know that it is considered normal for some new engines to use a quart per thousand miles? So I don't think 2 qts over 6,000 miles is too excessive.

 

[Revving2Redline]

I've got almost 500,000 miles on my 15 Honda Accord LX and it eats about a half a quart every 10,000 miles of 0w-20. Of course she doesn't ever go past 75 miles an hour so that may explain Why it has such a lower consumption. I love your dedication to keep another Honda on the road though!

 

[dezlpwr]

Who said that? Any ferrous particle that's kept out of the oil stream is a good thing. Why wouldn't it be?

Just because an ICP may not show the particles doesn't mean it is best they remain in the oil. You've got that conflated.

So are you running an oil filter magnet? I'm still on the fence about blowing $110 on an oil filter magnet. You seemed to be very well versed on iron particles in oil but I'm getting what I perceive to be somewhat conflicting information from you. Don't mind me, though, I'm sure it's just me not grasping it fully. I'm an idiot when it comes to this stuff. Still learning every day. I find this site to be very informative. I've learned a lot in my short stint on here.

 

[Artem]

So are you running an oil filter magnet? I'm still on the fence about blowing $110 on an oil filter magnet. You seemed to be very well versed on iron particles in oil but I'm getting what I perceive to be somewhat conflicting information from you. Don't mind me, though, I'm sure it's just me not grasping it fully. I'm an idiot when it comes to this stuff. Still learning every day. I find this site to be very informative. I've learned a lot in my short stint on here.

Why not start with something simpler like a really nice quality magnetic oil drain bolt first. I have this one of my Aluminum Mazda engine and it still manages to catch what I would consider as a good amount of metallic sludge every time I remove it.

You can find them cheaper, this is just an example I quickly googled. Knockoffs go for $5-6.

 

[dezlpwr]

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Why not start with something simpler like a really nice quality magnetic oil drain bolt first. I have this one of my Aluminum Mazda engine and it still manages to catch what I would consider as a good amount of metallic sludge every time I remove it.

You can find them cheaper, this is just an example I quickly googled. Knockoffs go for $5-6.

Because I already have a Fumoto drain valve installed. Makes oil changes an absolute breeze and no mess. If I'm going "magnetic", I'm not parting ways with my Fumoto, so it will have to be an oil filter magnet. I'm on the fence but leaning towards no magnets.
Fumoto Original F108S FS-Series Drain Valve with Short Nippple with Lever Clip, Bronze, 16mm-1.5 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004FFHH0M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_WK662CS6QA48WNGST5R2

 

[Revving2Redline]

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Why not start with something simpler like a really nice quality magnetic oil drain bolt first. I have this one of my Aluminum Mazda engine and it still manages to catch what I would consider as a good amount of metallic sludge every time I remove it.

You can find them cheaper, this is just an example I quickly googled. Knockoffs go for $5-6.

I use TRUST/GReddy drain plugs and love them. Most Honda takes M14x1.5 and looks nice.

 

[harry j]

I use TRUST/GReddy drain plugs and love them. Most Honda takes M14x1.5 and looks nice.

Look into the Dimple magnetic oil drain plug. It is more powerful and is less prone to chipping.

 

[harry j]

The Dimple magnetic oil drain plug on the left shows a small amount of metal, while the one on the right is brand new for comparison

The Dimple is of a new hemispherical construction, giving it a greater surface area then the older flat magnet. I guess you could say it is hemi powered.

 

[harry j]

Miles on Civic - 638,571 / 1,027,680 km
Miles on oil - 6,459
Amsoil 0W-30 (AZO) oil
Amsoil EAO36 oil filter
Twin CT3.2 Filtermag magnetic oil filters
Dimple magnetic oil drain plug (domed magnet)


AFE Dry Pro S air filter

5ozs Liquimoly anti-friction

 

[Oliveoil2]

Miles on Civic - 638,571 / 1,027,680 km
Miles on oil - 6,459
Amsoil 0W-30 (AZO) oil
Amsoil EAO36 oil filter
Twin CT3.2 Filtermag magnetic oil filters
Dimple magnetic oil drain plug (domed magnet)


AFE Dry Pro S air filterView attachment 104920
5ozs Liquimoly anti-friction

I love your posts. Not many people run this many miles and keep excellent records like you. Really cool. Did you do rings and or valve guides when you did the head gaskets? What is your compression? Keep it up!

 

[harry j]

Thankyou Oliveoil2,

original rings still motoring on

and the valve guides were good, they changed the valve seals and trued up the head surface.
the engine runs smoothly with good power so the compression was not done.

 

[addyguy]

It’s starting to drink quite a bit more oil. Not that I blame it at this mileage; but that coolant intrusion from the HG failure definetly caused some damage.

 

[harry j]

It’s starting to drink quite a bit more oil. Not that I blame it at this mileage; but that coolant intrusion from the HG failure definetly caused some damage.

How do you account for the low metal wear (except iron)?

I believe the high iron content is elemental iron in solution and doesn't really cause any harm. then again, 20 parts per million is not catastrophic.