American muscle car, which one?

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Originally Posted By: GMBoy
The kid who took your loved one could have done that in an Escort just as well.


Unfortunately, in my case, this isn't true. The type of car was absolutely relevant, as it gave the young driver an inflated sense of confidence. He thought he had the power and speed to clear the intersection before my father-in-law approached. He didn't. Sand does a terrible thing to RWD traction, but the driver was too young and too inexperienced to realize that the pavement wasn't clean. Would he have tried it in an Escort? I very highly doubt it. Even if he had, his front wheels would have been clear of the sand and he probably would have cleared my father-in-law's path.

I fully agree that responsibility levels differ between 16 year-olds as they do in adults. From all accounts, the child that killed my father-in-law was a very responsible, "church-going" kid, whatever that means. Yet, just one moment of irresponsibility has forever changed many lives, including his own.

The question is - do you stack the deck in favor of your child or against them?

In my opinion, the best car for a new driver, and what we plan to do for our son in 12 years, is do exactly what my Dad did for me: He handed me down the keys to his old station wagon, a four cylinder, four speed, with 104k on it. Keep in mind, this was in an era where 70k was the end of the road for American cars. It was a worthless piece of slow junk. I had to work on that piece of junk every other weekend to keep it on the road. The skills I learned fixing that piece of junk have benefited me enormously throughout my life and career.

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My nephew just turned 19 in October. He got his first vehicle when he was 17, a 92 Nissan Pickup that he flipped over while going on an curved exit ramp. he lost control and went down an embankment, it was raining. he then got a 96 Chevy S-10 4.3 V-6, he ran a red light while texting and got in a 3-car accident. two months later, he drove his dad's Chevy Colorado to get breakfast at Mcdonald's on a Sunday morning around 8am. he rearended an old lady while she was turning into a parking lot. You know those old people turn into parking lots slowly! He's got a speeding ticket, not wearing a seatbelt ticket, and tickets from those accidents. He pays $300/month for liability for a 1996 Ford Explorer 5.0 V-8!! oh, he barely has money to fill up that guzzler At least every birthday/xmas, he will have a gas gift card waiting for him.
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A rear wheel drive with decent power for an inexperienced driver in the winter can be a bit much. My first vehicle was an s10 with a 2.2 liter and even with that little motor I would fish tail easily. I some how one day ended up with it going sideways down the road. Luckily I somehow pulled my self out of that one but i'm not sure how.
 
Originally Posted By: wapacz
A rear wheel drive with decent power for an inexperienced driver in the winter can be a bit much. My first vehicle was an s10 with a 2.2 liter and even with that little motor I would fish tail easily. I some how one day ended up with it going sideways down the road. Luckily I somehow pulled my self out of that one but i'm not sure how.

A truck is much worse than a car because a truck with an empty bed is far less balanced front-to-rear than just about any RWD car.

That in mind, my dad told me that he had to drive his RWD 1971 Toyota Corolla in snow, and he often needed a push. Since his car and his friend cars were beaten anyway, he would sometimes get a push from a friend's VW beetle.
 
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Originally Posted By: wapacz
A rear wheel drive with decent power for an inexperienced driver in the winter can be a bit much. My first vehicle was an s10 with a 2.2 liter and even with that little motor I would fish tail easily. I some how one day ended up with it going sideways down the road. Luckily I somehow pulled my self out of that one but i'm not sure how.

A truck is much worse than a car because a truck with an empty bed is far less balanced front-to-rear than just about any RWD car.

That in mind, my dad told me that he had to drive his RWD 1971 Toyota Corolla in snow, and he often needed a push. Since his car and his friend cars were beaten anyway, he would sometimes get a push from a friend's VW beetle.


True though I had 300 lbs of sand sitting over the rear axle to try to help with that. What I was getting at is even with a 120 hp engine that was torque less I still had problems with fish tailing and car control. Though I guess some of the car stability control system may help with that now.
 
Regardless of the age a person is when they begin to drive, be it 16, 17, 18, 19, or even in their 20's, 30's or older, and regardless of how responsible they are in everyday life, beginner drivers go through a learning period that is many more years than most people realize.

I repeat: There are 36 thousand to 42 thousand people killed in vehicle accidents each year in the United States of America. Do you want your child to be one of them? Or to live the rest of their life knowing that they cause one or more of them?

It takes anywhere from 10 to 20 years before a driver becomes a component driver. Only after you child can honestly say they have been driving for 8 years without a speeding ticket, or any type of accident, are they ready for a sports car or a car with excess power. Any sooner than that and you are being grossly irresponsible.
 
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First of all, GMboy, those Fieros were de shiz nit. I have had the luck of driving one of those on a track as well.

Now im just chiming in again, everyone has brought up some very nice points. Honestly ge a fixer upper for your son not something that new or fast. there is a driving learning curve as i have noticed and i have had many hours of road track time and instruction from perfessionals to able to drive like i do. Which you need to be able to handle something wild like a corvette a Boss mustang or a 500GT mustang, heck even the challenger is a hard one to control under hard power and on a track, stock that is.

So hear is my honest opinion. Go to a few dealers, and look at what you and your wife want not what to hand down to your son down the road, how you handle a gun or an ATV is totally different then a car, i know this from experiance as well. But look a two seater or a four seater, two door. American obviously. Any more i go with GM but i spend alot of time around them and tuning them and so forth. Ford you get a long time well built company who did not get a bailout and made it on their own, i belive correct me if im wrong. I love the GT500, i really do. plus Ford has really spent time and money to find things out. I cant wait to drive the new Raptor flat out, so there is another idea for a hot rod, do some research, look for you and your wife, let us know how you come out on it.
 
good point, i was a lousy driver at 16...the last thing i needed wouldve been a monster engine
 
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: getnpsi
Anyway if he enjoys working on cars like doing modifications in the future it would be more affordable to choose the mustangs or the dodges.


You do realize the new Camaro and the Corvette use the LS3 which has a huge after market and is just as cheap to modifiy as the Mustang and is A LOT cheaper to modifiy then it's Mopar Counterparts.
It benefits for the Technologoy introduced in 1997 on the LS1, Cam swaps and head swaps are cheap when compared to the OHC design of the Ford. You may want to check out some speed sites and see the prices of parts.


That's just because the LSx engine has a whole lot in common to the venerable SBF that's been around since the 60's
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All AFR, TFS, Brodix, Edelbrock...etc had to do was modify their SBF castings! LOL!
 
Sorry to forget the camaro. They stopped production and and I forgot about them LOL. My post was explaining how it wouldnt be a good idea to choose the vette from the peer pressure to race standpoint. Aftermarket for a mustang is still cheaper than a vette.
 
Do your kid a favor and make him buy his first car himself, as well as insure it and operate it. Teach him the value of a dollar, the value of labor. Maybe he'll want to go to college if he sees the need to do better in life.

Cars come and go. The opportunities to teach a kid values are fleeting.
 
Originally Posted By: Ed_T
Do your kid a favor and make him buy his first car himself, as well as insure it and operate it. Teach him the value of a dollar, the value of labor. Maybe he'll want to go to college if he sees the need to do better in life.

Cars come and go. The opportunities to teach a kid values are fleeting.


Agree!
 
Bah! Get the muscle car for your wife. Get the son a beater when he's 16 for at least his first year. After he demonstrates the responsibility and skills necessary to drive the wife's car, only then hand it down, be that at 17 or 27 years old.

I'm usually a GM fan, but if I were to buy one now, I'd pick the Mustang hands down over the Camaro. I love the drive train of the Camaro, but the heavy weight, the large clown wheels (read: very expensive replacement tires) and the additional dealer markup puts it off the table.
 
I would buy your wife whatever it is that she wants.

To me, the amount of aftermarket support would be irrelevant to the choice - I doubt your wife is going to want to cam out her daily driver.

As your son is three years away from driving, I would deal with that issue then.
 
Yeah -- Civic, Focus, Scion x*, -- all in automatic form for high school student. Never put a 16 yr old behind a 400+ HP machine.
 
Every kid I've ever seen who was GIVEN a car has trashed it in short order.

Most kids who BOUGHT their own car treat it very differently.

And only a true idiot gives his kid a high powered car for their first one!

Was your first bike a one liter monster? Geez. Sense is never "common".
 
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
A GT500 would be way to much car for a kid that young, get him a Camaro RS, he'll have no trouble with that little thing.....
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My neighbors 16 year old son just rolled their Camaro RS at about 105 mph last month...almost killed himself but he is now out of the hospital facing many charges including drag racing etc. For a 16 year old boy I would get a Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla or Chevy Malibu all with a 4cyl engine. Take a look at the teenage traffic accident stats and the cost of insurance before you buy. Or just ask your insurance agent and see the look on his face. JMO.
 
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