American muscle car, which one?

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All of a sudden my wife wants to give up her trusty Toyota SUV for an American Muscle Car, She likes the Mustang Boss, but iam leaning toward a Vette or the Dodge Charger 6.1 Hemi Daytona.

She saw the Challenger in a Walmart Parking lot and like that too.

I like the Nissan 350Z but my wife thinks it looks too "plain" My wife does not like anything in BMW.

Is her choice a bad one -the Mustang Boss ?

What say ye on the "muscle cars" whats the good the bad and the ugly, Mustang, Vettes and Dodge, and of course the New Camaro,lets hear your opinions, i have no knowledge or experience with thgese cars as my first car wasa [censored] car and i still drive a [censored] car.

The car must be reliable and Durable as the plan is to pass the car on to my son when he turn 16 3 yrs from now to be used for school.

THanks Tundraz
 
buy dodge they need the business...i think all 3 are great...i was very impressed looking at the new camaro in dealership....the challenger got hi marks on a recent auto show i was watching
 
None. You are going to give your 16 year old a Corvette, 6.1 car or Mustang?

I have a had a bunch of last genearation F-bodies (93 to 02) and a 99 Mustang GT. All were good and took a serious beating, hey that is what they are for. The Corvette, Challenger, Daytona, Camaro, or Mustang all are good choices and are reliable cars.
I just wouldn't give any of them to a 16 year old.
 
The only thing reliable about Dodge is Ram and Caravan.

I would stay away from Challenger and Charger.

New Vettes are dated.

I would wait for the C8 or stay put on that front.

I like the look of the Camaro over Mustang.

But the drivetrain of the 2011 Mustang looks to be on par or better than Camaro.
 
All three are great, honestly i a Corvette fan, but i would go for a Mustang GT 500, sweet looking ride and fun to boot, i have driven both and driven them hard enough to test the tire spin on a road track.

But like mike said, fist if you are gonna give any of those to a 16 yr old, three years old or 40 years old a 16 yr old Kid does not deserve a car like that. Not to mention your gonna spoil him. Sorry for being blunt but honestly, think about it.

If he really wants it, make him pay every last red cent for it before he can drive it, my dad bought me my first truck, he got the loan and bougt it for my 15th b-day, here in montana you could get your actual liscence at that age, mainly cuz of ranchers, that has long since changed, im 23 now. anyway he got the loan and the truck, and 86 Chevy, four speed and a 305, and guess what, he said happy birthday your first payment is do in a week. I paid the loan off, working two jobs and going to school, high school that is.
 
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Originally Posted By: Tundraz
All of a sudden my wife wants to give up her trusty Toyota SUV for an American Muscle Car, She likes the Mustang Boss, but iam leaning toward a Vette or the Dodge Charger 6.1 Hemi Daytona.

She saw the Challenger in a Walmart Parking lot and like that too.

I like the Nissan 350Z but my wife thinks it looks too "plain" My wife does not like anything in BMW.

Is her choice a bad one -the Mustang Boss ?

What say ye on the "muscle cars" whats the good the bad and the ugly, Mustang, Vettes and Dodge, and of course the New Camaro,lets hear your opinions, i have no knowledge or experience with thgese cars as my first car wasa [censored] car and i still drive a [censored] car.

The car must be reliable and Durable as the plan is to pass the car on to my son when he turn 16 3 yrs from now to be used for school.

THanks Tundraz


Any of those cars are a LOT of car for a 16 year old........

The GT500 is an incredible car though.
 
If I were giving a car to a 16 y/o, I'd get something that was gutless.

And that being said, I could not bring myself to buy a Challenger or the like, with a V6.

Apparently I don't even have an actual answer for you..
 
Guys good point about the age factor, i mentioned to my wife that we should get a 2 door/2 seater to discourage any type of hanging out with friends and driving fast , just him and his gf if he will be old enough to have a gf by then, on the other hand he is quite a responsible and careful boy as he has had his own guns since he were 5 yrs old and has been quite careful and safe with them, he has his own ATV and he is very safe and not a show off.

We might go car looking this weekend.

Anyone knows the diffeence between the Mustang 500 and the Boss?

Thanks ia, Tundraz
 
I would say the V6 Camaro, since you might pass it on to your 16 year-old. The V-6 has too much performance for a young driver still but at least it isn't a V8. The only caveate is the Camaro V6 has directe injection and that is a somewhat unproven technology. I think I'd go with a base Mustang.
 
Motorcycles seat 2 and look how bad accidents are with those. Hard to compare a bike to a car, but number of seats will not discourage risky behavior! Most people do not just race by themselves, they will play with another vehicle on the road. Where I live, a corvette is a symbol of performance (not the best out there of course) People challenge corvettes just to see how their own vehicles measure up. If you lose no shame, corvettes are supposed to win. Anyway if he enjoys working on cars like doing modifications in the future it would be more affordable to choose the mustangs or the dodges.
 
Originally Posted By: Tundraz

The car must be reliable and Durable as the plan is to pass the car on to my son when he turn 16 3 yrs from now to be used for school.


Please DO NOT give ANY of these cars to a 16 year old. My father-in-law is DEAD due to irresponsible parents giving their 16 year old son a 2003 Mustang GT which he couldn't handle or drive properly.

Do yourself and your son a favor - give the 16 year old something more tame that doesn't require so much driving skill that doesn't have so much temptation.

That 16 year old who killed my father-in-law has to live with that fact for the rest of his life. Do you want to have pick your son up at a wreck site when he's hit and killed someone? Do you want to say goodbye to him as I did my father-in-law on a cold slab at a morgue?

Please rethink your plans.

thanks,
ben
 
A GT500 would be way to much car for a kid that young, get him a Camaro RS, he'll have no trouble with that little thing.....
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I own a Charger SRT8 which I absolutely love. I didn't think I'd like the four doors, but I traded my Vette in for it anyway. It turns the 1/4 in 12.7 and carries five comfortably.
 
Originally Posted By: kd5byb
Originally Posted By: Tundraz

The car must be reliable and Durable as the plan is to pass the car on to my son when he turn 16 3 yrs from now to be used for school.


Please DO NOT give ANY of these cars to a 16 year old. My father-in-law is DEAD due to irresponsible parents giving their 16 year old son a 2003 Mustang GT which he couldn't handle or drive properly.

Do yourself and your son a favor - give the 16 year old something more tame that doesn't require so much driving skill that doesn't have so much temptation.

That 16 year old who killed my father-in-law has to live with that fact for the rest of his life. Do you want to have pick your son up at a wreck site when he's hit and killed someone? Do you want to say goodbye to him as I did my father-in-law on a cold slab at a morgue?

Please rethink your plans.

thanks,
ben



So Sorry to hear about your loss. But I must add that responsibility varies amongst kids (and even us adults) when it comes to driving. My first car in high school, while not a rocket-but still quick for its day, was an 85 Fiero 2M6. That was a light car with a V6 that hung with and even beat Iroc-Z's of the day. I was 16 and drove responsibly. The kid who took your loved one could have done that in an Escort just as well.
 
1) Stay away from Chrysler and Dodge. They use torsion bar suspension and ride like a truck. They are nothing but an engine on a too stiff of a chassie. If you like getting your teeth rattled out of you head and the way your back feels after riding a horse for 12 hours, then you will love Chrysler and Dodge products.

2) Don't even think of allowing any beginner driver to drive a mussel car, let alone have full time use of one. If you do they will have many more accidents, get many speeding tickets and probably loose there license if you are lucky. If you are unlucky they will get into an serious accident where someone gets hurt or killed. There are 36 thousand to 42 thousand people killed in vehicle accidents each year in the United States of America. Do you want your child to be one of them? Or to live the rest of ther life knowing that they cause one or more of them?

The air force does not start off would be fighter pilots in a fast fully equipped fighter that can go faster than the speed of sound. They have them get many hours in slow trainers that give them time to think and come up with the proper response when they are learning to fly.

Like wise you do not put a beginner driver in a sports car or any high power car.

3) Get a Plain Jane large car with enough extra size to have some of the vehicles body available to absorb impact and protect your child when (not if) they get into an accident. (Get a used vehicle if you would mind the kid busting it up). Pick one with an under-powered size engine. After the kid gets over the initial disappointment that it is not a race car, you will hear praise about the good gas mileage the smaller engine gets, and the lack of power will keep you child out of serious trouble.

4) Be sure to school them about keeping the vehicle properly maintained / inspected , quickly pulling into a store or service station if the oil light comes on and putting oil in (tell them it cost several thousand dollare to replace the engine that will blow up if they don't), keeping good tires on the vehicle (tires with enough tread not to hydroplane in rain when it is not winter, and proper type and tread depth in the winter),keeping tires properly inflated, get them a digital air gauge and teach them how to use it, have tires rotated with each oil change, and change oil when required, and have vehicles brakes serviced within 3 days if they squeal.

5)Some of the things I teach beginner drivers.

The proper speed is 5 to 7 miles per hour over the posted speed limit unless you are in a school zone, or driving in a speed trap town like Cuyahoga Falls Ohio. If someone is inpatient and blows there horn at you and tries to get you to go faster, ask you-self if they are going to put enough cash in you hand to pay for the speeding ticket and the increase in your insurance for the next 3 years from getting a speeding ticket.

In a school zone if traffic comes to a stop, or you have to stop for a light or stop sign within the school zone, put the vehicle in lowest gear until you get to the sign that says end school zone. This way you do not forget you are in a school zone when you start moving again.

I ask them what are the two ways you can turn a vehicle. They respond right and left. I tell them no don't think of the two directions as right and left. Think of them as right and you do not have the right of way. And I then explain to them that every time they make a "YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY TURN" that crosses oncoming traffic that you do not have the right of way. I actually give directions to them from then on using the words make a right, or make a you do not have the right of way turn.

I take them to RR tracks that do not cross the road at a 90 degree angel, and I swing the car and stop so that it is 90 degree to the track so I can see both ways. I then have them do the same.

I tell them to imagine a old large coffee can in the center of the car on the floor. Every time they change lanes they have to put a twenty dollar bill in that can. That money will sit there and build up to pay for the accident they will have when they change lanes with someone in their blind spot. I teach them that an experienced driver will sit in their lane and wait for the vehicle in front of them to move, and will not change lanes because they know that the risk is not worth it.

I teach them that if they ever do change lanes it must always be slow enough so that if a vehicle was in their blind spot it would have plenty of time to slow down and avoid an accident.

Start them off with driving on back streets. Teach them that running a stop sigh can be fatal, especially at intersections that do not have a stop sigh in all directions. If there direction has a stop sign and someone is coming on a street that does not have a stop sign the other vehicle will go through the intersection at full speed without slowing down, and they would be right to do so. If they run a stop sigh there could be a severe accident.

Take them to a 5 way intersection with stop signs and have them watch for about one hour and see how many run a stop sign.

Take them to an intersection where at least one direction does not have a stop sign and does not have to stop and others have a stop sign. Have them see how many times the one with the right of way without the stop sign has their right of way violated by people not staying stopped once they stop, or not stopping at all.

Teach them that if several vehicles come to an intersection with a stop sigh that each must stop, and the vehicle that stops first is the vehicle that has the right to go first.

In conclusion, it takes anywhere from 10 to 20 years before a driver becomes a component driver. Only after you child can honestly say they have been driving for 8 years without a speeding ticket, or any type of accident, are they ready for a sports car or a car with excess power. Any sooner than that and you are being grossly irresponsible.
 
Originally Posted By: getnpsi
Anyway if he enjoys working on cars like doing modifications in the future it would be more affordable to choose the mustangs or the dodges.


You do realize the new Camaro and the Corvette use the LS3 which has a huge after market and is just as cheap to modifiy as the Mustang and is A LOT cheaper to modifiy then it's Mopar Counterparts.
It benefits for the Technologoy introduced in 1997 on the LS1, Cam swaps and head swaps are cheap when compared to the OHC design of the Ford. You may want to check out some speed sites and see the prices of parts.
 
V-6 Challenger. Wait for next year's model (may already be out) as it has a 5 speed auto which should get better mileage. My son also is very responsible with his car (2002 Cavalier).
 
for me it'd be a simple choice, mustang. ford is actually a pretty decent brand as far as medium term (10 years) durability and low maintenance cost goes, in my experience.
 
It`d be a tough decision for me. Out of everything in your op,I`d go with either the V8 Mustang (by far the best looking and best built out of the 3 American muscle cars) or the 350Z. I`ve sat in a new Camaro and the interior felt really cheap,especially the controls and the steering wheel. What really impressed me about the Mustang was the comfort and the manual transmission`s shifter feel. I`d have to drive both to make my decision. When it comes to a 16 year old driver,they should only be able to drive what they can afford. Have him start saving up his money to buy his own car,and you keep the cooooool car you end up choosing for yourself :^)
 
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