Originally Posted By: ram_man
I agree with this. Its not that the cavi or the escort were bad cars they had their issues but overall not bad . American cars never had the complete package it was either reliable and that was it or it was fun but not very reliable. Civics and corollas look decent drive well and are reliable. Do they have common faults, yes but atleast its an enjoyable car to own. Cavalier for example the seats have no support so yes it starts and runs everyday but it is uncomfortable and drives like a log wagon.
Besides reliable which I think the cavalier is a nickel and dime you kind of car its not a safe vehicle. The honda and toyota are much safer in comparison.
The problem I see with the older days' American cars are that they just finish the big objects and leave the details 80% done when Japanese would have pause and finish all the details and give you less features.
On paper you'd see American cars to be more bang for the buck, and it would if you don't care about the interior materials, plastic flashing under the hood, all the rubber hoses (Ford) that would dry rot way earlier, and all the electrical tape holding cables together instead of the shrink wrap, and the 50c cheaper connectors, quick connect, snap together instead of screwed together objects, etc.
I don't usually see a typical driver dump a Corolla or Civic over a dry rot rubber hose, a dropped valve, a burnt transmission, a head gasket, intake manifold gasket, etc. I see a lot of people dumping their older domestic because of that. Sure they saved $3 for using cheaper critical parts but then it lose them a $13000 sales 10 years later. People remember when they think they were defrauded with cheap parts and lose their cars.
Glad to see the domestic do better these days, but sadly I see both the Japanese and domestics are using lower quality interior that aren't that much different now.
I agree with this. Its not that the cavi or the escort were bad cars they had their issues but overall not bad . American cars never had the complete package it was either reliable and that was it or it was fun but not very reliable. Civics and corollas look decent drive well and are reliable. Do they have common faults, yes but atleast its an enjoyable car to own. Cavalier for example the seats have no support so yes it starts and runs everyday but it is uncomfortable and drives like a log wagon.
Besides reliable which I think the cavalier is a nickel and dime you kind of car its not a safe vehicle. The honda and toyota are much safer in comparison.
The problem I see with the older days' American cars are that they just finish the big objects and leave the details 80% done when Japanese would have pause and finish all the details and give you less features.
On paper you'd see American cars to be more bang for the buck, and it would if you don't care about the interior materials, plastic flashing under the hood, all the rubber hoses (Ford) that would dry rot way earlier, and all the electrical tape holding cables together instead of the shrink wrap, and the 50c cheaper connectors, quick connect, snap together instead of screwed together objects, etc.
I don't usually see a typical driver dump a Corolla or Civic over a dry rot rubber hose, a dropped valve, a burnt transmission, a head gasket, intake manifold gasket, etc. I see a lot of people dumping their older domestic because of that. Sure they saved $3 for using cheaper critical parts but then it lose them a $13000 sales 10 years later. People remember when they think they were defrauded with cheap parts and lose their cars.
Glad to see the domestic do better these days, but sadly I see both the Japanese and domestics are using lower quality interior that aren't that much different now.
