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quote:Originally posted by keith:
If the "peaceful" Muslims were to rise up against the evil that they are tolerating within, this would all be over rather quickly. Until then, they get NO slack from me. There is no natural path from poverty to evil, and it is pretty clear who is leading them there. It is the "leaders" of Islam. The Muslims have, to date, shown themselves to be unwilling to reform, so a war it is.
and it could easily be said ...It is the leaders of these western superpowers that maintain these conditions. To date, the west has shown themselves unwilling to reform or alter these conditions that they maintain. One could also say "If peaceful Christians would rise up and reform their Irish bretheren" ..we don't - we're not "Christian brohters".
There is no "Islamic leadership" per se. The is no "Pope" or synode ..or heirarchy of clerics in the "world of Islam". There are Ayatollahs ..but they're not like bishops or cardinals outside of their flock. The Brits ended that in the hacking up of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI. The last central ruling body in the, predominately, Muslim world was forever divided up into a hopeless mess of divided peoples and unlike peoples thrust together in a DESIGN of disorganization. This was to forever eliminate a "united" body that would present a potential ally to a future enemy (the Ottoman Empire aligned with Germany in WWI). You never get a front without a back ..nor a plus without a minus. The "west" designed the middle east and is now paying for it.
Don't get me wrong! Extremism, ignorance, and Islam spell TROUBLE ...but you're looking at it from eyes that seperate our spiritual and secular lives. We are also comparatively rich and educated. When we have an economic problem we have the Rush Limbaughs bellowing 'Get the bums off of welfare and this will solve all your problems!!" and the those on the left screaming "The RICH!!! The Rich!!! They are the source of your plight!!!" ..in reality neither has an impact upon your wallet ..yet you are made to assign "blame" for your anxiety.
Now move the exact same scene to a situation of TOTAL despair ..where your best efforts are futile and your ideology doesn't provide that which it should. How does every "leader" keep his flock in "order"? They point a finger and say "It's the infidel!!! He's the reason for your despair!!" (the Rich!1!! The BUMS!!!).
The real shame of it is that we've ignored these people's problems since they didn't present one. We were content to leave the "mud people" or "crazy camel jockeys" all to their little selves having their pathetic struggle ..all the while the region that they inhabit fuels a great deal of the bounty that the modern world benefits from. I kind of look at it like "take an number for better service". We've pacified most of the big warring nations with industrial devolopment and trade ..but we have a heirarchy of distribution of resources ..usually based on our needs.
Do you think that the bananna republics would be so if we didn't want them that way? We've tamed the largest warring nations on the planet and you mean to suggest that we can't "fix" anything that small? Now we really know that some things are just "easier" to accomplish and maintain ..like a Noriaga in Panama ...or some other puppet to do the bidding of some bananna or sugar barons ..if they get out of line or too embarassing ...just topple them (like Sadam or Noriaga).
You obviously have no idea how we present an all powerful entitiy. No one can resist our military ..no one can survive without being economically joined at our hip ..and no population can resist our culture. The world is formed in our design image.
What would you have done if the Ruskies had won the cold war and just moved in a told you the "right way" to govern, feed, educate, employ, our population? I would think that you would fight it with every resource at your disposal ..even if the Ruskies "believed" that this was the most sensible modality for you to live.
If you somehow think that this problem is ever going to go away (terrorism) I would think again. If you also think that one military campain after another is going to "put the crazy camel jockeys in line" ...I would suggest that you revisit Vietnam and perhaps see that sometimes POWER is not going to assure your success. You can fill millions of graves with Muslims ..and you would still have over a third of the planet to fight.
I work with Muslims everyday and they are as peaceful as sheep. They are immigrants and their children will be natural born AMERICANS.
Do as you please (as in have any attitude that you wish) ..but to foster the feeling the Muslim = evil is not an accurate or "American" attitude to have.
