$60k Harley Davidson?!!

[blueglide88]

The Gold Wing and ST1300 areon a police rodeo course. The others are not. Don’t think they make the St anymore. My buddy has one, and he bought another as a parts bike because it’s so reliable. and much like Gold Wings, he hates riding in summer because it dumps so much heat on him. It also proved to be a deadly bike that killed police officers with its instability at high speeds. Kudos to you for finding the first one I’ve seen as far as the Gold Wing. He’s certainly not winning it, but he did it. An exceptionally rare event and the exception does not prove the rule. There’s a reason they aren’t in police stables

 

[KrisZ]

The Gold Wing and ST1300 areon a police rodeo course. The others are not. Don’t think they make the St anymore. My buddy has one, and he bought another as a parts bike because it’s so reliable. and much like Gold Wings, he hates riding in summer because it dumps so much heat on him. It also proved to be a deadly bike that killed police officers with its instability at high speeds. Kudos to you for finding the first one I’ve seen as far as the Gold Wing. He’s certainly not winning it, but he did it. An exceptionally rare event and the exception does not prove the rule. There’s a reason they aren’t in police stables

You clearly can’t understand that these courses and events are there to showcase rider skill and abilities. They are not showcasing motorcycle capabilities, most any other motorcycles can do it. The reason you don’t see too much variety is because these are organized by police and well they only use few models that suit them.

Police forces choose what works for them, not what’s best. Otherwise we could be arguing a Crown Vic as the best vehicle of all time.

Your irrational fixation with these police “rodeos” just shows you are reacting with your feelings not logic and reason.

 

[KrisZ]

Double post

 

[blueglide88]

You clearly can’t understand that these courses and events are there to showcase rider skill and abilities. They are not showcasing motorcycle capabilities, most any other motorcycles can do it. The reason you don’t see too much variety is because these are organized by police and well they only use few models that suit them.

Police forces choose what works for them, not what’s best. Otherwise we could be arguing a Crown Vic as the best vehicle of all time.

Your irrational fixation with these police “rodeos” just shows you are reacting with your feelings not logic and reason.

Well duh, yes it’s a skill. Ignorance is bliss. Having ridden some of these courses, and watching a lot of different bikes try it, they can’t. Period. And yes police departments choose what serves them best. A highly maneuverable bike capable of working in tight confines and take a lot of abuse. I wonder why we don’t see many sport bikes in police departments? Surely they’d come in handy chasing down speeding vehicles?

 

[KrisZ]

Ignorance is bliss. Having ridden some of these courses, and watching a lot of different bikes try it, they can’t. Period.

So you’ve seen a the same rider do the course no problem on a Harley and then he/she hopped on something else, like a BMW and the could not complete the course?

I highly doubt it.

 

[BigCahuna]

It seems everyone here is hung up on closed course agility handling. That's only of what Police bikes have to do, and a small part at that. Day to day Police usage is tough on a bike. By me there are several large forces that use Harley primarily for a few good reasons. They hold up better under rough usage. Jumping curbs, riding thru rough roads, and long hours of idling take their toll on them. A few years back several towns tried to go with cheaper bikes, only to find out they are not all the same. Service on brands like BMW is not the same as Harley's. Harley will give priority to Police bikes, where BMW will tell the dept's to drop it of and we'll get to it when we do. And parts mostly had to be ordered, which take's the unit out of service even longer. Also fork seals didn't hold up like the Harley's did. And when they were dropped, more plastic's were damaged than on Harley's. Harley's may not have the high speed of other brands, but they perform better at what they were designed and proven to do. In city's like Jersey City, and New York City, being tough and dependable means more than how fast a bike is.,,

 

[blueglide88]

So you’ve seen a the same rider do the course no problem on a Harley and then he/she hopped on something else, like a BMW and the could not complete the course?

I highly doubt it.

I didn’t say I saw someone ride a Harley then jump on another bike to ride the course. Not many people are going to let someone else dump their bike

What I’ve seen was different riders, on different bikes, try the course. Not all the riders have the same skill level’s obviously. But to say only the Harley riders were the most experienced and that’s why they ran the course is kind of

 

[alarmguy]

I find it amazing how people will bash any brand or anyone else's enjoyment for any reason what so ever. I look at it as some type of jealousy or something.
I dont get it, do these people trash the cars other people drive too?
I think any popular brand of any product is always open to attack and even more so if it cost more then the others.

Out of all the motorcycle companies in the entire world COMBINED that produce heavy weight cruisers. Harley by themselves still commands close to/or 50% of the USA motorcycle market.
It's laughable that some refer to them as a clothing company.

I buy the product that brings me enjoyment and I have owned another bikes besides a Harley. Hands down, fit, finish, quality of materials are superior to my liking on the Harley. Brakes, Cables, Paint, Hardware ect ... some people are delusional to deny this right in this thread, so much so I dont even reply to them anymore. Only way I would is if they met up with me so I could compare their bike, component to component with their bike because they are too delusional to discuss with in a forum.

now just because I say that do I think less of other bikes? Absolutely not. My neighbors most all have nicer cars and trucks that they drive, I dont trash them either, we buy what brings enjoyment.

((Peace)) to all ... *LOL*
I mean, who gives a rat that they trash other bikes, it's like the 2nd grade in forums when it comes to motorcycles/or some kind of weird inferiority complex. The states I ride in, everyone, of all brands get together just fine, no different then people who get together with their cars.

 

[MSCH]

This was Honda's custom that put every Harley ever made to shame in every aspect...build quality, paint quality, chrome quality, basically made Harleys look like they were sold by Dollar General...

in general Harleys have the best chrome plating and paint of any factory assembled product... its worth noting most Jap bikes chrome is applied to plastic parts where the MOCO uses real metal.

 

[KrisZ]

It seems everyone here is hung up on closed course agility handling. That's only of what Police bikes have to do, and a small part at that. Day to day Police usage is tough on a bike. By me there are several large forces that use Harley primarily for a few good reasons. They hold up better under rough usage. Jumping curbs, riding thru rough roads, and long hours of idling take their toll on them. A few years back several towns tried to go with cheaper bikes, only to find out they are not all the same. Service on brands like BMW is not the same as Harley's. Harley will give priority to Police bikes, where BMW will tell the dept's to drop it of and we'll get to it when we do. And parts mostly had to be ordered, which take's the unit out of service even longer. Also fork seals didn't hold up like the Harley's did. And when they were dropped, more plastic's were damaged than on Harley's. Harley's may not have the high speed of other brands, but they perform better at what they were designed and proven to do. In city's like Jersey City, and New York City, being tough and dependable means more than how fast a bike is.,,

All good reason. I would add that availability and local support are also factored in and supporting the home team.

Go to Europe and you will not find Harley in police service, you will find mostly BMWs. Go to Japan and other Asian countries and you will find Honda, Kawasaki and Suzuki, no police force will use Harleys over there.

It’s a silly argument to bring up police use.

 

[MSCH]

So what do you think is going to happen the HD when all of the old pirates that ride them die off? Honda will still be around long after the company that relies on archaic designs is long gone...

good question? but these brands appeal to different sets of riders and one brand offers a wide range of products worldwide whereas the other brand offers large heavyweight bikes to a more specific audience.. I'll tellya one thing though, Harley motorcycles offer a feeling that very few Japanese bikes can match, so if you like them you really aren't interested in any of the Japanese brands.

 

[alarmguy]

in general Harleys have the best chrome plating and paint of any factory assembled product...

Yes, this is undeniable in every aspect of comparing bikes. Brakes, Cables, All the hardware, Paint, fit, finish. That is a lot of value for those that value quality component's, as well as the ride. I like all bikes for different reasons, heck I would also like for fun to have a Concours 14 in my garage as well.
Its amazing that some will fight tooth and nail to deny this and why I dont know bother like you to debate them
( I used to fall into that trap, you will find out*LOL*)

 

[KrisZ]

I didn’t say I saw someone ride a Harley then jump on another bike to ride the course. Not many people are going to let someone else dump their bike

What I’ve seen was different riders, on different bikes, try the course. Not all the riders have the same skill level’s obviously. But to say only the Harley riders were the most experienced and that’s why they ran the course is kind of

Or maybe, just maybe, since these types of slow maneuvers are thought mostly to police and police mostly use Harleys, it stands to reason that a person attempting the course would use what they used the most and is most familiar with.

But then again, you have shown quite clearly you cannot use logic and reason on this topic, so in your mind it is not the proof of rider skill but if bike capability.

 

[MSCH]

The Gold Wing and ST1300 areon a police rodeo course. The others are not. Don’t think they make the St anymore. My buddy has one, and he bought another as a parts bike because it’s so reliable. and much like Gold Wings, he hates riding in summer because it dumps so much heat on him. It also proved to be a deadly bike that killed police officers with its instability at high speeds. Kudos to you for finding the first one I’ve seen as far as the Gold Wing. He’s certainly not winning it, but he did it. An exceptionally rare event and the exception does not prove the rule. There’s a reason they aren’t in police stables

one of the reasons the MOCO has been in business so long is they have had government fleet business as part of their business model since their inception.. and the cater to that business.. the other reason Harley bagger models do so well in police work are they handle exceptionally well at low speeds, which is what the other higher center of gravity police models lack... If you look closely at a harley bagger you will notice the triple tree is reversed from what is normal, with the centerline of the forks being behind the steering pivot point instead of ahead as is more normal... this gives these heavy harleys a advanatage in low speed maneuviring... it also helps that the engine is low in the frame and narrow...

 

[blueglide88]

It seems everyone here is hung up on closed course agility handling. That's only of what Police bikes have to do, and a small part at that. Day to day Police usage is tough on a bike. By me there are several large forces that use Harley primarily for a few good reasons. They hold up better under rough usage. Jumping curbs, riding thru rough roads, and long hours of idling take their toll on them. A few years back several towns tried to go with cheaper bikes, only to find out they are not all the same. Service on brands like BMW is not the same as Harley's. Harley will give priority to Police bikes, where BMW will tell the dept's to drop it of and we'll get to it when we do. And parts mostly had to be ordered, which take's the unit out of service even longer. Also fork seals didn't hold up like the Harley's did. And when they were dropped, more plastic's were damaged than on Harley's. Harley's may not have the high speed of other brands, but they perform better at what they were designed and proven to do. In city's like Jersey City, and New York City, being tough and dependable means more than how fast a bike is.,,

No doubt about it. If speed was the only requirement, then they’d all be riding Hayabusa’s

Or maybe, just maybe, since these types of slow maneuvers are thought mostly to police and police mostly use Harleys, it stands to reason that a person attempting the course would use what they used the most and is most familiar with.

But then again, you have shown quite clearly you cannot use logic and reason on this topic.

logic and reason ? Lol
If someone shows up with a bike other than a Harley and can’t complete the course, is it always the riders fault? Or could the bike have something to do with it?
Reason me that Batman

 

[KrisZ]

No doubt about it. If speed was the only requirement, then they’d all be riding Hayabusa’s

logic and reason ? Lol
If someone shows up with a bike other than a Harley and can’t complete the course, is it always the riders fault? Or could the bike have something to do with it?
Reason me that Batman

I thought we were talking about police rodeos. I thought it was mostly police officers doing these. Are you now talking about some other events that are similar?

 

[blueglide88]

I did my training thru these guys. Doug was the former head of MSU police training and a motorcycle cop. They offer training to civilians. You run the exact same courses as the cops.there are multiple cops teaching the courses so I’ve seen both them and students ride the courses. I thought I knew how to ride until I took these courses. And without a doubt, what you ride makes a difference

http://www.midwestmotorcycletraining.com/index.html

 

[KrisZ]

Well, if it’s not a police rodeo you cannot bring it up. Just trying to stay within your “requirements”

 

[blueglide88]

Well, if it’s not a police rodeo you cannot bring it up. Just trying to stay within your “requirements”

Civilians and cops riding on the same police rodeo course is something I can’t bring up?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Talk about the kettle calling the pot black!!! This thread started out about high priced impractical bikes. Not once have you made any contributions to that. All you’ve done is bash Harley’s. And this from an old man trying his best to compensate by riding a hayabusa. A bike way beyond your capabilities

So you call it "Harley bashing" when someone says they wouldn't own one because compared to other bikes it's low performance, too heavy, ill handling, cost way too much and requires a whole new Pirate wardrobe? Seems more like a sensitive Harley guy (ref South Park clip, lol) getting hurt feelings like a little girl when someone doesn't like the doll dress she put on her doll.

Back to the original post ... there is no way in hell I'd spend $60K on that Harley, let alone any bike for that matter. I might have bought that used black Harley (shown by the hot redhead) in the one video I posted for $8800 ... seemed like a good deal. Did you see that Busa in the cone course video, meetng your "high bar performance test" ... how's that for contributions, lol.

You probably couldn't even sit on a Busa, let alone ride one. No bike has been "beyond my capabilities" ... stupid comments like that is just more trolling by you trying to look like some kind of big boy cycle rider that most likely just cruises around on straight highway roads for 98% of the time. Since you're into assumptions, guess I should be too. This thread should actually be locked since it's just become a Harley guy vs people who don't ride a Harley or don't like them enough to buy one.