6 Cops in Freddie Gray Death Now Facing Charges

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Originally Posted By: CKN
Do you want to do away with the Constitution as well? You are entitled to your civil rights even if your arrested and handcuffed. Regardless of your past crimes. This isn't Soviet Russia or Iran.


Which one of his rights was violated? I dont think it says anything about you having the right to wear a seat belt while in police custody. Or that you cant bang your head repeatedly into a metal cage and kill yourself. Don't see that one either.
 
I just like to see the cops get arrested. The Fraternal Order of Police is livid and I love it. All of sudden they don't like the prosecutor, tough if you get arrested and don't like the prosecutor. If 6 of us, were found with a dead guy in the back of a van with his neck broke and beat up. What are the chances the police are going to say, "know what go home, we are going to do a autopsy and investigate this and we will let you know what we find, meanwhile relax at home".
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
You are neither black nor an immigrant. I can assure you that the treatment you would get from law enforcement officer would be different if you had different skin color and if you say otherwise, you would not be telling truth.

Hmmm..lets see. Is it just white cops that hate immigrants or blacks, or Asian, etc.

Do American Asian Police hate, just whites, or immigrants or blacks.
How about black cops? Whom do they hate/ Just whites, or asians, or black immigrants.
Is this only in America? and is this just Cops?

Please explain your point in more detail. I think its facinating.
 
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• A second prisoner, who was picked up after Gray, told investigators that he thought Gray "was intentionally trying to injure himself, according to The Washington Post.


He knew what he was doing, my guess is that he saw a possible windfall because he was going to find a ambulance chaser to get that pay day. Unfortunately he got more than he asked for with his carny act.
 
You guys need to stick to oil and filters. Y'all sound like a bunch of 'bacca chewing rednecks, and none of you have read the indictment nor the medical examiner's report.

Your cognitive skills are barely beyond those of Freddie Gray, who was hopelessly damaged by lead paint by the time he was 6.

How about those Purolator tears?
 
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Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: CKN
Do you want to do away with the Constitution as well? You are entitled to your civil rights even if your arrested and handcuffed. Regardless of your past crimes. This isn't Soviet Russia or Iran.


Which one of his rights was violated? I dont think it says anything about you having the right to wear a seat belt while in police custody. Or that you cant bang your head repeatedly into a metal cage and kill yourself. Don't see that one either.



You have the right to be protected in Police custody. And even if what your surmising is true....you also have the right to be protected FROM YOURSELF. That's why jails have areas that are "suicide watch".
 
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Originally Posted By: CKN



You have the right to be protected in Police custody. And even if what your surmising is true....you also have the right to be protected FROM YOURSELF. That's why jails have areas that are "suicide watch".


Except it is likely that Freddy Gray was DELIBERATELY trying to
"game the system" in his favor, to gain monetary benefit. The criminal justice system can't be held responsible for DELIBERATE actions of the perp which contributed to his own death.

I hope the courts and juries find that Gray was DELIBERATELY acting in a way that greatly contributed to his own demise.

Also they must allow as evidence his TWENTY past FELONY CONVICTIONS, because it shows that he is a HABITUAL criminal actor, and never learned from his arrests to change his behavior.

Mr. Gray was a reprobate if they ever was one.
 
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^^^ That's what courts are all about. If there were witnesses that testify that he was banging his head repeatedly inside the patty wagon, then IMO that will probably get these cops off.
 
Originally Posted By: Turk
Interesting.......

"A Fraternal Order of Police lodge is asking Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby to appoint a special prosecutor to the Freddie Gray investigation because of her personal connection to the Gray family's attorney, William H. "Billy" Murphy Jr., and her marriage to a city councilman."

"The letter from Gene Ryan, president of Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 3, also states that none of the six officers involved in Gray's arrest and death were responsible for the 25-year-old West Baltimore man's death that spurred protests and unrest, including rioting and looting on Monday. The letter was released just minutes before Mosby announced charges against the officers."

"Murphy supported Mosby during her campaign last year. He donated $5,000 to her campaign and served on her transition committee."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-riots/[censored]-md-fop-letter-20150501-story.html



What is particularly telling, is to observe which news sources are reporting the FOP allegations and request for a Special Prosecutor and which ones are conveniently ignoring the story. Bias ? An agenda ? You be the judge. The cops were negligent in not securing Gray, but that is not murder or manslaughter. What the politicians who run Baltimore want is a legal lynching of the accused officers, make no mistake about it.
 
Originally Posted By: JerryBob
You guys need to stick to oil and filters. Y'all sound like a bunch of 'bacca chewing rednecks, and none of you have read the indictment nor the medical examiner's report.

Your cognitive skills are barely beyond those of Freddie Gray, who was hopelessly damaged by lead paint by the time he was 6.

How about those Purolator tears?


LOL
 
I think they are trying to keep the city from burning.

I seriously doubt the jury will find these cops guilty of the most serious charges.
 
Originally Posted By: MNgopher
Yes, the guy was hardly a model citizen.

Yet he was also a human being who deserved the full protection of our laws as well. We all do.

If the officers acted in the wrong, they deserve to bear the consequences of their actions as well.



This. Fortunately we live in America and not under ISIS rule. Let's all wait for the the real justice which is to find the TRUTH.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ That's what courts are all about. If there were witnesses that testify that he was banging his head repeatedly inside the patty wagon, then IMO that will probably get these cops off.


Being that this "witness" was separated from Gray by a metal partition, (which means he couldn't *see* anything.), just how does he know that?

His death was ruled a homicide by the ME.

State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby said Gray's arrest was illegal and unjustified, and that his neck was broken because he was handcuffed, shackled and placed head-first into a police van, where his pleas for medical attention were repeatedly ignored as he bounced around inside the small metal box.
 
Listen, I am a respectable immigrant and from the group which is known to be from stellar community. I have not been even pulled over in over twenty years. But I do understand how people who are down on the social ladder with different skin colors are treated. Heck, one of the most respected moderator of another conference was accused of from a call center because of his name!

Lot of you are very quick to jump on anybody who you find below you. You don't have to be genius to notice people's behavior especially on this particular forum.

I am neither black nor muslim but I can see open season on those communities any time some newsworthy event happens,
 
Allowing someone in custody in full restraints to lie prone is a big no-no.
This is called positional asphyxiation and may be used briefly to gain control of a struggling subject, but a subject must never be left in this position. It is the repsonsibility of the arresting officers to roll the subject over onto his back.
One is moved to wonder how this subject's cervical spinal injuries occurred?
The guy was able bodied enough to run from pursuing officers but dies a week later with his spinal cord nearly severed?
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
The problem for all of us is that the treatment of this subject give great weight to the outrage expressed by his community.
We must stop brutal and illegal police behavior.
We are not some third world backwater where this type of thing is both tolerated and expected.
This is a cultural problem in many urban police departments, and prosecuting these officers for doing no more than what everyone else does isn't the answer. Police defensiveness toward any challenge to their street tactics is a natural repsonse, given the culture in which they've operated.
We must foster a cultural change in our police organizations and this must begin with the topics covers in every shift briefing.
We aren't seeing bad behavior by a few cops in this case. We're seeing people acting within the cultural norms they've absorbed.
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Prosecution has to prove they killed the guy.

How easy / difficult will that be ?


Negligent homicide should be open and shut. Get one or two of the cops to flip, and 2nd degree (depraved indifference) murder might work.
 
Originally Posted By: Trajan


Being that this "witness" was separated from Gray by a metal partition, (which means he couldn't *see* anything.), just how does he know that?




Those metal partitions have ventilation holes in them and they are literally see through.
 
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Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: CKN
Do you want to do away with the Constitution as well? You are entitled to your civil rights even if your arrested and handcuffed. Regardless of your past crimes. This isn't Soviet Russia or Iran.


Which one of his rights was violated? I dont think it says anything about you having the right to wear a seat belt while in police custody. Or that you cant bang your head repeatedly into a metal cage and kill yourself. Don't see that one either.


He was in their custody, thus they were responsible for his safety. Yes, it is that simple!
 
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
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• A second prisoner, who was picked up after Gray, told investigators that he thought Gray "was intentionally trying to injure himself, according to The Washington Post.


He knew what he was doing, my guess is that he saw a possible windfall because he was going to find a ambulance chaser to get that pay day. Unfortunately he got more than he asked for with his carny act.


Or someone told this other guy that he might drown himself in a toilet "resisting arrest" if he didn't open his trap.
 
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