6.4 Ford sludge

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Originally Posted By: Johnny
Is this the add pack of the HDD 5W-30?
Calcium 1709
Magnesium 63
Phosphorus 733
boron 5
Zinc 816

The calcium, phosphorus, and zinc numbers look a little weak to me for a HDEO.

can those additives be absorbed into the jello like sludge that was in this engine?
My very first post I attached a link that I think nobody read.
I can see why I had so much sludge. http://oilanalysis.com/article_detail.asp?articleid=193

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Quoting again from the report by the Fleetguard division of Cummins Engine, “Oil samples will sometimes have several hundreds parts per million sodium, yet there will be no moisture or glycol present. The amount of sodium indicates that at least a gallon of coolant has leaked into the crankcase, but there is no sign of it (other than the sodium).” Cummins summarizes by saying, “Our experience is that the most reliable indicator of coolant leakage is the sodium level of the filter paper ash followed by the level of the sodium in the oil.” Due to the loss of sodium from oil consumption or by insoluble sodium captured by the oil filter (80 to 90 percent of the total sodium that has leaked into the crankcase in some instances), an increase in sodium in the oil by as little as 50 ppm can mean as much as one gallon of coolant has leaked into a 10 gallon (38 L) lube oil system.

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In general, glycol above 200 ppm in most cases is considered reportable. Levels greater than 400 ppm should be regarded as significant and levels as high as 1,000 ppm flagged as critical.

Thanks for your help in the past
Javier
 
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I know for a fact that the 6.4s had a recall about the radiator and hose clamps? The tech told me something about the radiator building up to much pressure? Could be something to look into? Also make sure the recall involving the PDF filter/regeneration mode is taken care of as well.
 
Is this mystery oil the LUBRIGUARD oil?

If so, they don't make a CJ-4 HDEO 5w-30 oil.

Out of curiosity, why would you put that in the crankcase when diesels are spec'd for 5w-40 or 15w-40.

I've got a 6.0 and I wouldn't dream of putting anything other than 15w-40 in the crankcase.
 
it will be a few months maybe a year before he loses, all the while his truck sits and he keeps making payments on it. at my dealer we have a truck that has sat since before i started working there which was over 2 years ago with a situation like his. he is lucky we don't charge a storage fee.
 
warranty covers turbochargers for 5 years 100,000 miles that is all that broke on my truck, I dont have any other damage.
I have two other friends with coolant in the oil UOA verified, also we may look for a class action.
Javier
 
Originally Posted By: FiremarshalRob
Is this mystery oil the LUBRIGUARD oil?

If so, they don't make a CJ-4 HDEO 5w-30 oil.

Out of curiosity, why would you put that in the crankcase when diesels are spec'd for 5w-40 or 15w-40.

I've got a 6.0 and I wouldn't dream of putting anything other than 15w-40 in the crankcase.


no it is not Lubrigaurd thanks for asking.
I had a 6.0 that ran great with the same 5W30 wish I kept that truck now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHD0Mgk1qhY&feature=related
enjoy the video!
Javier
 
Originally Posted By: nutsbolts
warranty covers turbochargers for 5 years 100,000 miles that is all that broke on my truck, I dont have any other damage.
I have two other friends with coolant in the oil UOA verified, also we may look for a class action.
Javier


A class action? Seriously? Did your friends use the same mystery 5w30 that you did by chance?
 
Nutjob, I hope you waste alot of your time and money only to have Ford and the judge laugh at you in court. (If it even makes it that far)
 
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
it will be a few months maybe a year before he loses, all the while his truck sits and he keeps making payments on it. at my dealer we have a truck that has sat since before i started working there which was over 2 years ago with a situation like his. he is lucky we don't charge a storage fee.



So you think he will lose, too!

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I should feel sorry for him, but we've had so many 6.0 problems (repeated turbo failures on 5K OCI maintained vans, repeated EGR cooler failures) that anyone who runs extended OCIs on a Ford diesel has to be completely & totally insane or a glutton for stealership punishment-these engines are so complicated (& the 6.4 is actually worse w/the sequential turbos) & so IMPOSSIBLE to work on-the risk of not changing oil BEFORE the mfr's recommended interval, using the best oil available, better be a lottery winner!!
 
So let me get this straight...

You took your work truck (one you depend on to make a living), which is used to haul heavy loads, put in an unapproved oil, and ran it way over the manufacturer specified limit, and now expect Ford to pay for your stupidity?

Perhaps when Ford has it's name changed to Socialist Motors they'll pick up your pieces, until then personal accountability is the name of the game, and you sir have none.


That add pack in the UOA doesn't even look like a HDEO, even the new ones. And this guy added TWO GALLONS of coolant and didn't bother to think there was a problem? I find it incredibly odd he won't post which oil was used. If this is truly Amsoil's 5w-30 HDEO, then this guy must be an Amsoil dealer....as there is no other reason he would not want to post the oil brand; and it would also explain why he was dumb enough to think oil changes were optional.

That said, I can't tell what oil he used. lol, its probobly 5w-30 supertech PCMO :p
 
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Originally Posted By: pzev
So let me get this straight...

You took your work truck (one you depend on to make a living), which is used to haul heavy loads, put in an unapproved oil, and ran it way over the manufacturer specified limit, and now expect Ford to pay for your stupidity?

Perhaps when Ford has it's name changed to Socialist Motors they'll pick up your pieces, until then personal accountability is the name of the game, and you sir have none.


That add pack in the UOA doesn't even look like a HDEO, even the new ones. And this guy added TWO GALLONS of coolant and didn't bother to think there was a problem? I find it incredibly odd he won't post which oil was used. If this is truly Amsoil's 5w-30 HDEO, then this guy must be an Amsoil dealer....as there is no other reason he would not want to post the oil brand; and it would also explain why he was dumb enough to think oil changes were optional.

That said, I can't tell what oil he used. lol, its probobly 5w-30 supertech PCMO :p


Ford simply cant keep my truck while I make payments.
eventually it will be paid off and it will still be parked
at the dealer.
I dont care! I will purchase a new truck and get back to work
and Ford can keep it. In the end, without proper documentation
From Ford that matches my documented findings, they will be in breach of contract.
OCI,product Brand, will not hold in court If Ford decides to claim soley that lack of OCI and Product brand was soley to be found at fault, failing to show scientific proof of
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findings of failure analysis


I am waiting for my second truck with coolant/fuel contamination
to fail since Ford will not service or even look at my UOA to determine the source of my problem.
and that truck I use oil purchased from Ford with 5000 mile OCI.
When it dies 'any day now' they can keep that one too.
Javier
 
I guess I have to scream this... oh, well.


WHAT KIND OF OIL WAS IT?


Since it don't matter in court (which it should since you screwed up) Why can't (or why won't you) tell us?

Do you know that you really just messed up and if you told us we would call you stupid and so-fourth?

You better not expect to sue ford and win because if it was your falt (which I think it was) you are wasting time & money. And as for this "breach of contract" thing, When you paid for that truck, and drove it off that lot, that was it. When you drive any car/truck off a lot, its over. Yes, they SHOULD honor their warrenty, but not IF IT'S YOUR FAULT.
You're going to have to cut Ford some slack, because if you think their going to treat you like a king, boy are you wrong.

I am a Ford guy, but if you hate/don't like Fords, QUIT GETTING THEM, their is two other brands called CHEVY and DODGE, which is darn good with the Cummins.
 
I think Ford should sue you for taking up their time, and for you suing them for a stupid reason.
 
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