505.01 Oil
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I know, buster.
I wrote Motul and told them of the story that VW won't honor warranty if the castrol isn't used,and he laughed(in German).Once you meet a spec,than no one can deny you.
Notice the part that says:
Engine damage caused by using the wrong engine oil is not covered by your Limited New Vehicle Warranty.
While this is for gas engines, I will leave it up to you to decide if the language is enough to make you use something they say for 501.01.
JKH
From VW:
Choosing the right oil matters a lot more today than it used to. The power plant in your 1998-2006 Volkswagen is one of the most advanced and sophisticated automobile engines available today. Built to precise specifications, it requires an exact grade, viscosity and quality of engine lubrication.
Engine oils have been further developed and improved since your vehicle was manufactured. Volkswagen has also developed a new oil quality standard that meets the needs of the gasoline engine in your 1998–2006 Volkswagen. Engine oil that met previous Volkswagen oil quality standards may no longer be easy to find. This booklet will give you important information about the right engine oil for your 1998–2006 gasoline powered Volkswagen and inform you about the newVolkswagen oil quality standard that many oil companies are using to certify their engine oils today. You will probably find that engine oil which complies with this new Volkswagen oil quality standard is more readily available today than oil that complies with the Volkswagen oil quality standards listed in the Owners Literature for your Volkswagen.
Many synthetic oils available today provide better engine lubrication that can outlast traditional petroleum-based oils, making them a smart choice for use throughout the life of your Volkswagen. Because of this fact, Volkswagen strongly recommends that you use synthetic-based oil that complies with Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502 00 as a replacement lubricant. Whether you use synthetic or petroleum-based engine oil, the oil that you use must conform to Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502 00 in order to help keep your vehicle’s engine running smoothly and help prevent the formation of harmful sludge and deposits that can lead to expensive repairs. At the time of printing, all of the engine oils Volkswagen is aware of that meet the exacting Volkswagen oil quality standard are synthetic-based.
Engine oil for 1998–2006 model year gasoline engine Volkswagen vehicles
Specification and viscosity
Engine oil for the gasoline engine in your Volkswagen must conform to exact specifications. Your engine needs an all-season, high-quality engine oil that conforms to Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502 00. If you need to add oil between changes, or perform an oil change, use only an engine oil with the correct specifications that complies with Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502 00. Oil container labels may carry these specifications singly or in combination with other designations and oil quality standards.
Engine oils are graded according to viscosity.
The proper viscosity grade oil for your engine depends on climatic or seasonal conditions where you drive. You can use oil with a viscosity grade of SAE 5W40 across all temperature ranges for normal driving conditions. However, if engineoil viscosity grade SAE 5W40 is not available, you can also use viscosity grade SAE 5W30 or SAE 0W40as long as it meets Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502 00. Please remember that not all commercially available oils conform to Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502. 00 even though they may have the same viscosity.
Checking the oil level
A lot of things affect oil consumption. For that reason, we urge you to check the oil level in your vehicle at frequent intervals, preferably every time you refuel and always before going on a long trip. Please remember that the oil pressurelight is not an indicator of low engine oil level. Always use the oil dipstick to get a true reading of the oil level in your engine and be sure to check the oil level at regular intervals. Specific directions regarding the proper checking of the oil level in your VW are given in your Owner’s Literature. Because the approved engine oil may not always be available when you need it, we strongly recommend that you always carry with you an extra quart (liter) of oil that conforms to Volkswagen oil quality standardVW 502 00in case you have to top off the oil while on the road. Only if the level of the oil is at or below minimum and no oil that meets Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502 00 is available, may you top off with a high quality oil, preferably synthetic-based that meets ACEA A3 specifications, but only in viscosity grades SAE 5W30, or SAE 0W40. However, between oil change intervals, never top off with more than a total of 0.5 quart (0.5 liter) engine oil that does not conform to Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502 00.
Note
•If you use engine oil that does not expressly conform to Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502 00, very serious and very expensive damage to your vehicle’s engine canoccur. Engine damage caused by using the wrong engine oil is not covered by your Limited New Vehicle Warranty.
Changing the engine oil The engine oil and oil filter must be changed according to the mileage and time intervals specified in your vehicle’s Maintenance Booklet. Do not exceed these intervals – harmful sludge and deposits from old engine oil can reduce engine performance and can lead to expensive engine repairs. Changing the oil at the recommended intervals is so very important because the lubricating properties of oil decrease gradually during normal vehicle use. If you are not sure when you have your oil changed, ask your authorized Volkswagen Service Advisor. Under some circumstances the engine oil should even be changed more frequently. Change oil more often if you drive mostly short distances, operate the vehicle in dusty areas or mostly under stop-and-go traffic conditions, or when you use your vehicle where temperatures stay below freezing point for long periods. Detergent additives in the oil will make fresh oil look dark after the engine has been running for a short time. This is normal and is not a reason to change the oil more often than recommended.
Need more information?
For more information regarding the approved oil for your vehicle or the correct oil filter to use, please contact either your authorized VW dealer or VW Customer Care Center (toll free at 1-800-822-8987 or through our website at www.vw.com). Here you will find a current list of oils (manufacturers, brand names, etc.) that conform to Volkswagen oil quality standards.
Note
•Always store an extra quart (liter) of engine oil in its original oil container that is securely closed. Make sure the container is securely stowed in the luggage compartment.
Engine damage caused by using the wrong engine oil is not covered by your Limited New Vehicle Warranty.
While this is for gas engines, I will leave it up to you to decide if the language is enough to make you use something they say for 501.01.
JKH
From VW:
Choosing the right oil matters a lot more today than it used to. The power plant in your 1998-2006 Volkswagen is one of the most advanced and sophisticated automobile engines available today. Built to precise specifications, it requires an exact grade, viscosity and quality of engine lubrication.
Engine oils have been further developed and improved since your vehicle was manufactured. Volkswagen has also developed a new oil quality standard that meets the needs of the gasoline engine in your 1998–2006 Volkswagen. Engine oil that met previous Volkswagen oil quality standards may no longer be easy to find. This booklet will give you important information about the right engine oil for your 1998–2006 gasoline powered Volkswagen and inform you about the newVolkswagen oil quality standard that many oil companies are using to certify their engine oils today. You will probably find that engine oil which complies with this new Volkswagen oil quality standard is more readily available today than oil that complies with the Volkswagen oil quality standards listed in the Owners Literature for your Volkswagen.
Many synthetic oils available today provide better engine lubrication that can outlast traditional petroleum-based oils, making them a smart choice for use throughout the life of your Volkswagen. Because of this fact, Volkswagen strongly recommends that you use synthetic-based oil that complies with Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502 00 as a replacement lubricant. Whether you use synthetic or petroleum-based engine oil, the oil that you use must conform to Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502 00 in order to help keep your vehicle’s engine running smoothly and help prevent the formation of harmful sludge and deposits that can lead to expensive repairs. At the time of printing, all of the engine oils Volkswagen is aware of that meet the exacting Volkswagen oil quality standard are synthetic-based.
Engine oil for 1998–2006 model year gasoline engine Volkswagen vehicles
Specification and viscosity
Engine oil for the gasoline engine in your Volkswagen must conform to exact specifications. Your engine needs an all-season, high-quality engine oil that conforms to Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502 00. If you need to add oil between changes, or perform an oil change, use only an engine oil with the correct specifications that complies with Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502 00. Oil container labels may carry these specifications singly or in combination with other designations and oil quality standards.
Engine oils are graded according to viscosity.
The proper viscosity grade oil for your engine depends on climatic or seasonal conditions where you drive. You can use oil with a viscosity grade of SAE 5W40 across all temperature ranges for normal driving conditions. However, if engineoil viscosity grade SAE 5W40 is not available, you can also use viscosity grade SAE 5W30 or SAE 0W40as long as it meets Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502 00. Please remember that not all commercially available oils conform to Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502. 00 even though they may have the same viscosity.
Checking the oil level
A lot of things affect oil consumption. For that reason, we urge you to check the oil level in your vehicle at frequent intervals, preferably every time you refuel and always before going on a long trip. Please remember that the oil pressurelight is not an indicator of low engine oil level. Always use the oil dipstick to get a true reading of the oil level in your engine and be sure to check the oil level at regular intervals. Specific directions regarding the proper checking of the oil level in your VW are given in your Owner’s Literature. Because the approved engine oil may not always be available when you need it, we strongly recommend that you always carry with you an extra quart (liter) of oil that conforms to Volkswagen oil quality standardVW 502 00in case you have to top off the oil while on the road. Only if the level of the oil is at or below minimum and no oil that meets Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502 00 is available, may you top off with a high quality oil, preferably synthetic-based that meets ACEA A3 specifications, but only in viscosity grades SAE 5W30, or SAE 0W40. However, between oil change intervals, never top off with more than a total of 0.5 quart (0.5 liter) engine oil that does not conform to Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502 00.
Note
•If you use engine oil that does not expressly conform to Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502 00, very serious and very expensive damage to your vehicle’s engine canoccur. Engine damage caused by using the wrong engine oil is not covered by your Limited New Vehicle Warranty.
Changing the engine oil The engine oil and oil filter must be changed according to the mileage and time intervals specified in your vehicle’s Maintenance Booklet. Do not exceed these intervals – harmful sludge and deposits from old engine oil can reduce engine performance and can lead to expensive engine repairs. Changing the oil at the recommended intervals is so very important because the lubricating properties of oil decrease gradually during normal vehicle use. If you are not sure when you have your oil changed, ask your authorized Volkswagen Service Advisor. Under some circumstances the engine oil should even be changed more frequently. Change oil more often if you drive mostly short distances, operate the vehicle in dusty areas or mostly under stop-and-go traffic conditions, or when you use your vehicle where temperatures stay below freezing point for long periods. Detergent additives in the oil will make fresh oil look dark after the engine has been running for a short time. This is normal and is not a reason to change the oil more often than recommended.
Need more information?
For more information regarding the approved oil for your vehicle or the correct oil filter to use, please contact either your authorized VW dealer or VW Customer Care Center (toll free at 1-800-822-8987 or through our website at www.vw.com). Here you will find a current list of oils (manufacturers, brand names, etc.) that conform to Volkswagen oil quality standards.
Note
•Always store an extra quart (liter) of engine oil in its original oil container that is securely closed. Make sure the container is securely stowed in the luggage compartment.
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So, according to this VW source VW 504/507 isn't applicable in US models?
*yaaaaaaaaaawn*
Shortly, I'll be posting a list an official list of VW/Audi approved 505.01 oils that are avaliable in the US for people to see so that there may be no confusion.
Amsoil and Schaeffer's both MEET the 505.01 (actually Amsoil meets the std. beginning in Jan 2006) but neither are approved by VW/Audi. The only oils that are approved by VW/Audi for the 505.01 spec are Motul 505.01 specific, Pentosin TS 505.01, Elf Excellium DID, and the Castrol 505.01 that the dealer uses.
Mike
Amsoil and Schaeffer's both MEET the 505.01 (actually Amsoil meets the std. beginning in Jan 2006) but neither are approved by VW/Audi. The only oils that are approved by VW/Audi for the 505.01 spec are Motul 505.01 specific, Pentosin TS 505.01, Elf Excellium DID, and the Castrol 505.01 that the dealer uses.
Mike
Just to throw a fly into the VW oil spec soup here, my 04 Jetta with a 2.0 can use a SL grade oil if a VW spec 5xx oil isn't available. My wife's old 01 2.0 Beetle was the same way. That is right out of the owner's manuals. Read those manuals real carefully for loopholes like these.
Here is what I would recommend.
EXCELLIUM DID 5W40
Elf synthetics technology lubricant with very high performance intended for lubricating all gas and diesel engines in cars, particularly last Volkswagen technologies with direct injection. Specially developed to ensure maximum protection over extended oil-change intervals.
API: SJ/CF
ACEA: A3/B3
VW: 500.00/505.00/505.01 Suitable for 502.00
FORD
Thanks,
Hardy
EXCELLIUM DID 5W40
Elf synthetics technology lubricant with very high performance intended for lubricating all gas and diesel engines in cars, particularly last Volkswagen technologies with direct injection. Specially developed to ensure maximum protection over extended oil-change intervals.
API: SJ/CF
ACEA: A3/B3
VW: 500.00/505.00/505.01 Suitable for 502.00
FORD
Thanks,
Hardy
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VW 500.00 was replaced by VW 502.00 years ago. How come this Elf oil is only "suitable" for VW 502.00? Last time I saw the bottle I thought it said it met VW 502.00.
> VW 500.00 was replaced by VW 502.00 years ago.
> How come this Elf oil is only "suitable" for VW
> 502.00? Last time I saw the bottle I thought it
> said it met VW 502.00.
Mori,
I've noticed that most all 505 01 PD TDI oils are also rated for 500 00, but not 502 00. I believe this is the case because 505 01 and 500 00 oils are typically semi-syn and/or group 3 oils, and can be formulated together easily. Not to say that 502 00 is necessarily mutually exclusive. Also, I believe that producers tried to add gasoline homologation to this diesel oil to broaden the market, hence 500 00.
BTW, I also believe that 500 00/505 01 oils are "better" for our older Audi 12Vs with first-generation, low-tension rings. IMO, BC, dealer castrol 505 01, and RTS are better than GC and TSUV for the OEM OCI.
G Peen
[ December 07, 2005, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: G Peen Jr ]
> How come this Elf oil is only "suitable" for VW
> 502.00? Last time I saw the bottle I thought it
> said it met VW 502.00.
Mori,
I've noticed that most all 505 01 PD TDI oils are also rated for 500 00, but not 502 00. I believe this is the case because 505 01 and 500 00 oils are typically semi-syn and/or group 3 oils, and can be formulated together easily. Not to say that 502 00 is necessarily mutually exclusive. Also, I believe that producers tried to add gasoline homologation to this diesel oil to broaden the market, hence 500 00.
BTW, I also believe that 500 00/505 01 oils are "better" for our older Audi 12Vs with first-generation, low-tension rings. IMO, BC, dealer castrol 505 01, and RTS are better than GC and TSUV for the OEM OCI.
G Peen
[ December 07, 2005, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: G Peen Jr ]
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That's not correct. VW 500.00 oils were generally full synthetic oils. I used them (BP Strato and BP Visco) in the late '80s in both my VW Scirocco. VW 505.01 are usually Group III or semi-synths as you say.
Why do you believe a VW 500 oil is better suited for the 12v than a VW 502 oil? Both are friction-modified oils. The main differences between both specs are that VW 502 allows more viscosities and has different limits for evap losses and stricter requirements regarding sludge prevention. The VW 502 rating also requires passing the extremly tough T4 test.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/moribundman/500501505502.jpg
M1 5W-40 T&SUV did very well with 8k miles of hard driving and the oil could have gone longer per UOA.
Mori, that is correct. Most 500 00 _specific_ oils were synthetic blends or HC. Yes, many non-500 00-specific group 4/5 oils were approved for 500 00 too. GC is also API SL approved. Does that mean SL requires a fancy ester-based PAO? Obviously, no.
Also take a look at 500 00 oils that exist today - and they do. Most are technosynthese, "synthetic-based", or HC. Specifically, look at Audi's early OEM 500 00 oil - Pentosynth TS 10W-40, which is still available today. Need I say what TS stands for?
Mori, please read my statement more carefully. I did not say better than 502 00, I said better than GC and T&SUV. BC is a 502 00 oil. Also read click
I'm sure it did very well. But please read my statement more carefully. I said "for the OEM OCI" which is 3750-7500 miles. Less oil consumption with similar wear for the given OEM OCI is what I was alluding to.
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Sorry, I have to disagree, based on my what I remember from the '80s. When VW 500.00 was a new spec back in the '80s, all VW 500.00 oil were fully synthetic. That it was later possible to make semi-synth oils that would meet all requirements of VW 500.00 is not surprising, as oil quality improved. However, VW 502 has effectively superseded VW 500.
GC carries the VW 502 rating!
The OEM OCI for my '96 12v is 7.5k miles.
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Well, again, we're not talking about the same thing. Must be my fault, as I don't comprehend -- per your analysis.
I think you should just use the Amsoil 5W40 - it complies with all of these (stated somewhere on bottles or on the website I'm sure). I use this oil on everything (Toyotas, lawn equipment and actually a 2005 2.0 New Bettle). Starts are good at 15 degrees and oil pressure is good at 90 degrees, and boy it has a real high stated VI.
Mori, it appears that you don't understand the point I'm trying to make. GC is a high-tech 503 01 oil that also happens to be 502 00 approved. BC is specifically a 502 00 oil - a blend. With your logic GC is a typical SL oil since it carries the SL approval.
BC (a specific 502 00 oil), and other blend/HCs may function better in older Audis than newer oils like GC. Even you mentioned in the past that blend/HCs may reduce oil consumption because they can be scraped off easier.
Again Mori, you do not comprehend the point of the discussion. My car also has an OEM OCI of 7500 miles for normal service, and with a severe service of half that. If you are going to keep an oil in service for the OEM OCI, why bother with oil that lasts more than 8K as long as the wear is similar? And if oil consumption can be reduced from 1 qt/1000 to 1 qt/2000 miles, wouldn't that be better?
Is there an updated Jan 7, 2006 list?
Let us keep this simple with a straight forward "put up or shut up!"
Either:
1. Post the VW and/or VWOA and/or API certification letter backing your claims, OR
2. Post a legally enforceable letter that your company will incur all costs of early engine/fuel/lube system problems IF the truck/auto manufacturer declines the honor. (then the legal work of ultimate recovery is lifted from the customer's back)
Well?
Either:
1. Post the VW and/or VWOA and/or API certification letter backing your claims, OR
2. Post a legally enforceable letter that your company will incur all costs of early engine/fuel/lube system problems IF the truck/auto manufacturer declines the honor. (then the legal work of ultimate recovery is lifted from the customer's back)
Well?
A novel solution?
I thought I might just use the VW tested/certified oil for my 06 Jetta TDI at least until the warranty expires.
I mean, what IS the big deal about 35.7 quarts of oil? For those who don't like Castrol, there are three other oils from other manufacturers readily available by Net order.
I thought I might just use the VW tested/certified oil for my 06 Jetta TDI at least until the warranty expires.
I mean, what IS the big deal about 35.7 quarts of oil? For those who don't like Castrol, there are three other oils from other manufacturers readily available by Net order.
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