In case people are curious, I think it's safe to say the 5w20 requirement on the 3.5 ti-vct ford engine is strictly for CAFE Standards. The 3.5 ecoboost and the 3.5 ti-vct engines use the same crankshaft, same connecting rods, same bearings and clearances, same valve lash, same timing phasers, and same oil pump.
3.5 ecoboost requires 5w30 but 5w20 on 3.5 ti-vct
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I agree too,me being a thickie.
Being Thick Curious, I'm comfortable running 5w30 in applications calling for 5w20 and chalk it up to CAFE, even though Ford brought in 5w20 to the Taurus line 17 years ago.
Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
I agree too,me being a thickie.
I would like to respectfully suggest that you guys come up with a better nickname...maybe hiviz?
Calling oneself a thickie doesn't sound right to me...
;^)
I agree too,me being a thickie.
I would like to respectfully suggest that you guys come up with a better nickname...maybe hiviz?
Calling oneself a thickie doesn't sound right to me...
;^)
Of course 5w20 is for CAFE standards. This has been the case since 2001 when Ford and Honda started recommending this grade for most of their vehicles. Many of these vehicles are now rolling over 300,000 miles on 5w20, so the predicted clogged roadways with dead and dying vehicles never happened at all. The same was said about 40 years ago when 5w30 was the recommended oil (per CAFE).
When Ford and Honda applied to the EPA for viscosity approval (read the paper) it was all about CAFE. Maybe not dead by the side of the road but what is alarming to me is in the last month the number of people complaining about oil consumption in their 5/0w-20 engines after about 125k miles.
I go by many dead and dying vehicles on roadway every day.
Originally Posted by bfleeman
I go by many dead and dying vehicles on roadway every day.
And as you go by you can tell the reason is the oil grade?
I go by many dead and dying vehicles on roadway every day.
And as you go by you can tell the reason is the oil grade?
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by bfleeman
I go by many dead and dying vehicles on roadway every day.
And as you go by you can tell the reason is the oil grade?
Just as easy as one can say it's not because of oil grade
Originally Posted by bfleeman
I go by many dead and dying vehicles on roadway every day.
And as you go by you can tell the reason is the oil grade?
Just as easy as one can say it's not because of oil grade
Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Being Thick Curious, I'm comfortable running 5w30 in applications calling for 5w20 and chalk it up to CAFE, even though Ford brought in 5w20 to the Taurus line 17 years ago.
For the CAFE credits.They are not new.
Being Thick Curious, I'm comfortable running 5w30 in applications calling for 5w20 and chalk it up to CAFE, even though Ford brought in 5w20 to the Taurus line 17 years ago.
For the CAFE credits.They are not new.
Time and again I've read posts on here saying you can't run a 30 grade oil because the clearances are to tight. As it pertains to these two engines, that's not true.
Originally Posted by bfleeman
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by bfleeman
I go by many dead and dying vehicles on roadway every day.
And as you go by you can tell the reason is the oil grade?
Just as easy as one can say it's not because of oil grade
Well such a statement shows you really aren't interested in a serious discussion on this topic but are only interested in starting yet another "thick vs. thin" argument. When technical merit is thrown out that shows the real intent.
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by bfleeman
I go by many dead and dying vehicles on roadway every day.
And as you go by you can tell the reason is the oil grade?
Just as easy as one can say it's not because of oil grade
Well such a statement shows you really aren't interested in a serious discussion on this topic but are only interested in starting yet another "thick vs. thin" argument. When technical merit is thrown out that shows the real intent.
Originally Posted by bfleeman
Time and again I've read posts on here saying you can't run a 30 grade oil because the clearances are to tight. As it pertains to these two engines, that's not true.
That has never been true and such statements have only been made by individuals who don't really know things, but post them anyway because they read it on the Internet and it sounds good to them.
Time and again I've read posts on here saying you can't run a 30 grade oil because the clearances are to tight. As it pertains to these two engines, that's not true.
That has never been true and such statements have only been made by individuals who don't really know things, but post them anyway because they read it on the Internet and it sounds good to them.
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by bfleeman
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by bfleeman
I go by many dead and dying vehicles on roadway every day.
And as you go by you can tell the reason is the oil grade?
Just as easy as one can say it's not because of oil grade
Well such a statement shows you really aren't interested in a serious discussion on this topic but are only interested in starting yet another "thick vs. thin" argument. When technical merit is thrown out that shows the real intent.
The technical merit was contained in the original post
Originally Posted by bfleeman
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by bfleeman
I go by many dead and dying vehicles on roadway every day.
And as you go by you can tell the reason is the oil grade?
Just as easy as one can say it's not because of oil grade
Well such a statement shows you really aren't interested in a serious discussion on this topic but are only interested in starting yet another "thick vs. thin" argument. When technical merit is thrown out that shows the real intent.
The technical merit was contained in the original post
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Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by bfleeman
Time and again I've read posts on here saying you can't run a 30 grade oil because the clearances are to tight. As it pertains to these two engines, that's not true.
That has never been true and such statements have only been made by individuals who don't really know things, but post them anyway because they read it on the Internet and it sounds good to them.
I think they get that from Motorweek and Pat Goss. I hear that all the time on there.
Originally Posted by bfleeman
Time and again I've read posts on here saying you can't run a 30 grade oil because the clearances are to tight. As it pertains to these two engines, that's not true.
That has never been true and such statements have only been made by individuals who don't really know things, but post them anyway because they read it on the Internet and it sounds good to them.
I think they get that from Motorweek and Pat Goss. I hear that all the time on there.
Originally Posted by bfleeman
The technical merit was contained in the original post
Perhaps, but clearly abandoned when you tried to argue you could tell the "dead and dying" vehicles you go by on the road every day are due to oil grade selection.
The technical merit was contained in the original post
Perhaps, but clearly abandoned when you tried to argue you could tell the "dead and dying" vehicles you go by on the road every day are due to oil grade selection.
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by bfleeman
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by bfleeman
I go by many dead and dying vehicles on roadway every day.
And as you go by you can tell the reason is the oil grade?
Just as easy as one can say it's not because of oil grade
Well such a statement shows you really aren't interested in a serious discussion on this topic but are only interested in starting yet another "thick vs. thin" argument. When technical merit is thrown out that shows the real intent.
I didn't argue that at all. My comment was in response to another post saying the roads aren't clogged with dead or dying cars because of 20 grade oil. My comment was in jest. Lighten up. Lol.
Originally Posted by bfleeman
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by bfleeman
I go by many dead and dying vehicles on roadway every day.
And as you go by you can tell the reason is the oil grade?
Just as easy as one can say it's not because of oil grade
Well such a statement shows you really aren't interested in a serious discussion on this topic but are only interested in starting yet another "thick vs. thin" argument. When technical merit is thrown out that shows the real intent.
I didn't argue that at all. My comment was in response to another post saying the roads aren't clogged with dead or dying cars because of 20 grade oil. My comment was in jest. Lighten up. Lol.
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