2025 Toyota Rav4 personal engine oil struggle.

They won't do it, spec is 0w-16.
Depends on the dealer, my Honda dealer gladly installs Mobil1 5W-30 EP in my Civic, as recommended by my Honda Master-Certified Technician. They indicated that it's fine as long as it's API rated GF-6 and rated "Resource Conserving" and no more than 1 grade up. Given that the 1.5t tends to have oil dilution issues they also indicated it was prudent. YMMV
 
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What bulk do they use? Just curios.
Their parts guy said they have a "BG Nebraska" fill their bulk oil tanks. I questioned that, it means BG products, as in BG find a shop outfit based out of Wichita Kansas. I never posted guard at my local Toyota dealership to watch whoever fill their bulk tanks, but this is what I was told. It is the same outfit that makes the additives.
 
This is what your a25a-fks can use. If it was mine I'd use m1 esp 0w-30 and a carquest premium.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mobil-1-...xsZ-DXw6UivD6C5AjkrRGgjjJavuyvDMaAl5LEALw_wcB

Longer one
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p...rotection-up-to-10-000-miles-84145/10692617-P

Short one if the better longer one is unavailable or doesn't fit but it should.
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p...m=oil+filter&selectedFulfillment=store_pickup

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Listed of oils I’ve used in (2) Toyota A25A Hybrids:

Toyota Genuine Motor Oil 0W16
Valvoline Advanced 0W16
Pennzoil Platinum 0W16
Mobil1 AFE 0W16
Pennzoil Platinum 0W20
Castrol Edge 0W20
Valvoline R & P 0W20

Use whatever oil you like and/or suits your preferences. The engines not particular with oil despite the internet lore. No need for additives. Also 5K miles OCI’s have served me well.
 
Besides the previous oils mentioned for you , I’ll throw in Valvoline Advanced 0W16 . For a short tripper vehicle please consider to run a 3,750 mile / 6 month OCI (which ever comes first) . Ten years later your RAV 4 engine will thank you !
 
Definitely change your break-in oil out early and filter and then do 5k mile oil changes. Check out my UOA with 3 different 0W-16 oils and you will see the flashpoints are all decreased.
2024 Rav4 Prime XSE UOA
I believe a 5K mile OCI with a short tripper (even with major brand synthetic oils) is too long - you will more than likely end up with engine varnish and deposits over time.
 
Listed of oils I’ve used in (2) Toyota A25A Hybrids:

Toyota Genuine Motor Oil 0W16
Valvoline Advanced 0W16
Pennzoil Platinum 0W16
Mobil1 AFE 0W16
Pennzoil Platinum 0W20
Castrol Edge 0W20
Valvoline R & P 0W20

Use whatever oil you like and/or suits your preferences. The engines not particular with oil despite the internet lore. No need for additives. Also 5K miles OCI’s have served me well.
To the OP: I’d like to add to my comment that a fuel cleaner every oil change might be a good idea. Our previous Toyota hybrid started showing signs of fuel dilution right around 35-40K miles. Never used a fuel treatment on it. That vehicle is now gone due to an accident. But with our current Toyota hybrid, I’ve been using Gumout Fuel System Cleaner about every 500 - 1000 miles before an oil change. So far there is no sign of fuel dilution at 37K miles. Time will tell if it shows up again but so far nothing. Just my advice based on my experiences.
 
I believe a 5K mile OCI with a short tripper (even with major brand synthetic oils) is too long - you will more than likely end up with engine varnish and deposits over time.
Well, I am a retired old fart that likes screwing with the car. There will probably be a lot of "good" oil drained out my new Toyota! Thanks for the feedback.
 
My Toyota suffers from ennui with it.
Hardly any Toyotas have any ennui-look anymore (boredom, listlessness and dissatisfaction). Just about every one of their Models have dropped their bland looks for numerous thumbs-up, double-takes.

If anything is wrong, it would be the manufacturer's struggle to 'overall' stay at the top of the Top-10 rankings, with multiple models of theirs.
 
Hardly any Toyotas have any ennui-look anymore (boredom, listlessness and dissatisfaction). Just about every one of their Models have dropped their bland looks for numerous thumbs-up, double-takes.

If anything is wrong, it would be the manufacturer's struggle to 'overall' stay at the top of the Top-10 rankings, with multiple models of theirs.
They make decent vehicles. I am a retired old fat bald-headed man with hernated disc and shattered vertabrae issues through the years. I owned some sporty looking cars years ago but with my arthritis I got tired of screwing myself into the driver's seat then having to stand up off the ground every time I got out of it. With the SUV (boring) style car I can get in and out a lot easier. Plus, in this part of the USA the AWD can come in handy in the winter now and then.
 
We have a ‘24 RAV4. It’s a wonderful vehicle. The dealer is providing the oil changes for the first 25,000 miles, which is basically 4 changes at 5, 10, 15… Since the vehicle talks to my wife’s phone, this car has become personal to her and she has so far scheduled the first 2 trips in all by herself! We will see what happens in 2 years.

If it were me, I’d run 0-16 for the first 2-3 years - consider it a break-in oil. I wouldn’t expect engine trouble in a ‘yota but we know they’ve had some trouble with the tundra, so it’d be ok to be cautious just in case. TGMO high moly is interesting - a 16 with high moly sounds like an excellent compromise, and it’s great that the factory cares. After the first 3 years I’d move to a 5-20, preferably a thicker in-grade 20. I’m not sure if I’d bother with a 30 weight unless there was a specific need.

I recall a study years ago presented by a Chrysler engine designer. What I remembered:
- the valve train lasts longer with lighter oils
- the bottom end holds up better with heavier oils
- timing chains reduce the life expectancy of oils significantly
- a 5-30 oil needed 1500 rpm for the timing chain to go hydrodynamic. Thicker oils would see that happen sooner.

SO- where is your engine known to be weak? Top end? Bottom end? It seems that it’s a compromise.

FOR ME: I have enjoyed Castrol in the Volvos. No Volvos are owned right now <sniff>. Since then I’ve waffled between Penzoil Platinum and Mobile 1. Mobile 1 seemed to introduce “oil leak smell” for the first 6 weeks on 3 cars when I switched the fleet over from PP, which immediately discouraged me from using it after the stash depleted, and I went back to PP. PP seemed to keep its level on the dipstick longer as well, which was interesting to note. I’ve read, however, that M1 is slightly thicker, which if I was to stay in-grade, is where I’d want to be. Perhaps a penzoil 5-30 but man that gets a little risky if a warranty claim is needed.
 
We have a ‘24 RAV4. It’s a wonderful vehicle. The dealer is providing the oil changes for the first 25,000 miles, which is basically 4 changes at 5, 10, 15… Since the vehicle talks to my wife’s phone, this car has become personal to her and she has so far scheduled the first 2 trips in all by herself! We will see what happens in 2 years.

If it were me, I’d run 0-16 for the first 2-3 years - consider it a break-in oil. I wouldn’t expect engine trouble in a ‘yota but we know they’ve had some trouble with the tundra, so it’d be ok to be cautious just in case. TGMO high moly is interesting - a 16 with high moly sounds like an excellent compromise, and it’s great that the factory cares. After the first 3 years I’d move to a 5-20, preferably a thicker in-grade 20. I’m not sure if I’d bother with a 30 weight unless there was a specific need.

I recall a study years ago presented by a Chrysler engine designer. What I remembered:
- the valve train lasts longer with lighter oils
- the bottom end holds up better with heavier oils
- timing chains reduce the life expectancy of oils significantly
- a 5-30 oil needed 1500 rpm for the timing chain to go hydrodynamic. Thicker oils would see that happen sooner.

SO- where is your engine known to be weak? Top end? Bottom end? It seems that it’s a compromise.

FOR ME: I have enjoyed Castrol in the Volvos. No Volvos are owned right now <sniff>. Since then I’ve waffled between Penzoil Platinum and Mobile 1. Mobile 1 seemed to introduce “oil leak smell” for the first 6 weeks on 3 cars when I switched the fleet over from PP, which immediately discouraged me from using it after the stash depleted, and I went back to PP. PP seemed to keep its level on the dipstick longer as well, which was interesting to note. I’ve read, however, that M1 is slightly thicker, which if I was to stay in-grade, is where I’d want to be. Perhaps a penzoil 5-30 but man that gets a little risky if a warranty claim is needed.
I appreciate your info on this. I still have some time to think about all of this, right now I am leaning towards the TGMO 0w-16 and if not, ordering a case of Schaeffer's Oil 9000 0w-16. Speaking from experience I can say Schaeffer makes good oil. I have a local distributor that will get me a decent price too.
 
you would do well with Schaeffer's 0w-20 (first choice) or Pennzoil ultra Platinum ,,or even Valvoline EP 0w-20, in using a good filter as well.
 
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