2024 Jetta Oil

[Rogueman2016s]

FYI
Today I visited a local VW service department to pick up a quart of 508 00 oil. The dipstick on my car is halfway down the hatch but I didn’t see it when new a week ago.
Both managers behind the desk noted it was just 0w20 oil. They took my keys and had it topped off for free.
Both were very friendly and eager to answer questions.
I asked what the their policy was on using 0W30 or oil in that car. They said that 0w30 is authorized to be substituted. All you have to do is ask. One noted that the 0W20 gives a couple of more MPG.

I noted that I used 5W30 in my 21 Camry and the motor was noticeably quieter with less vibration. He agreed this would be the same in the VW.

After break in they will be seeing me for an oil change to 0W30.

Wouldn't this be the opposite effect..??? I would think moving a heavier oil would create more noise. Anyway between a 0w20 and 30 you'll hear no difference also with a 0w16 and 20. I had a Toyota that was "recommended to use 0w16" I switched back and forth between 16 and 20 with no audible difference. Lets take a bigger leap my friend has a 96 ss impala its not stock, he ran redline 20w50 for years had it in storage for sometime decided to get the car back on the road switched to Mobil 1 10w30 no sound difference either. Btw the 10w30 much better oil choice for the impala

 

[TiGeo]

The sound difference.....unless someone has audio testing equipment etc., then....

 

[Hamltnblue]

When you have an engine issue, you can bet the dealer will say that you asked for the wrong oil and the warranty is void. Good luck.

Won’t matter as long as it’s on the receipt.

 

[Hamltnblue]

Wouldn't this be the opposite effect..??? I would think moving a heavier oil would create more noise. Anyway between a 0w20 and 30 you'll hear no difference also with a 0w16 and 20. I had a Toyota that was "recommended to use 0w16" I switched back and forth between 16 and 20 with no audible difference. Lets take a bigger leap my friend has a 96 ss impala its not stock, he ran redline 20w50 for years had it in storage for sometime decided to get the car back on the road switched to Mobil 1 10w30 no sound difference either. Btw the 10w30 much better oil choice for the impala

No. Better lubrication results in smother operation and less friction between parts. This is where the drone/hum comes from. You will immediately feel and hear the difference. 10 weight difference doesn’t sound like much but it’s 50% higher than 20.

 

[Hamltnblue]

In your opinion

But economy isn’t the issue, the engine was engineered to use a specific 508/509 oil.

You can only add up to 1 litre of top up oil that doesn’t meet 508/509

This is where people simply understand. Engines are engineered to be able to accept lower oil, not the other way around. An engine designed to run on minimum 10w40 cannot use 0w20 without leaking or maintaining oil pressure.

 

[Hamltnblue]

When you have an engine issue, you can bet the dealer will say that you asked for the wrong oil and the warranty is void. Good luck.

And when you have an engine issue later, the dealer will simply say it’s out of warranty,

 

[Hamltnblue]

The one that “noted” that probably knows about it as much as a guy that flips burgers in closest fast food to that dealership.

He’s an experienced old timer who does it for a living with these cars.

 

[edyvw]

He’s an experienced old timer who does it for a living with these cars.

I personally would not give him anything to work on that is more complex than hammer.
There are old timers working on jet engines, however, doesn’t meant they now rate of consumption etc.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

No, it is not! You can use 20W60 300V Le Mans as far as "the engine is concerned"
EA888 with budak cycle does not have any meaningful changes. It has a variable oil pump which is in use in various engines, pretty much for decades.
So, running 0W20, 0W30, 5W30, 0W40, 5W40, is perfectly OK.

Now, warranty is a different issue, or what will VW say if something happens and they suspect the customer used a different oil and they try to use that for grounds to deny warranty?. But oil itself, 5W40 or 0W20, won;t do anything to an engine.

AND AGAIN, engines, any engines, are perfectly fine using thicker oil. The other way around, NOT SO MUCH!

Is not the OP engine a EA211?

I suggest you retract your last blanket statement, A generally adage but does not specifically apply.

I leased one for two years, confirmed with a sump of 5W40** the engine ran WAY wrong.

I will also say the 508 was also too low an HTHS for my engine. Evidenced hard mechanical knocking when fully warmed. Your sample may vary. Doesn't speak well to production tolerances if so.

Maybe the sweet spot for the EA211 is just something with an HTHS around 3 cP

Now to a similarly important issue - did they fix the drivetrain snapping axle tramp on this thing?
A FATAL engineering flaw as far as my money is concerned. - Ken

Happy Holidays!
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** Dealer install error

 

[edyvw]

Is not the OP engine a EA211?

I suggest you retract your last blanket statement, A generally adage but does not specifically apply.

I leased one for two years, confirmed with a sump of 5W40** the engine ran WAY wrong.

I will also say the 508 was also too low an HTHS for my engine. Evidenced hard mechanical knocking when fully warmed. Your sample may vary. Doesn't speak well to production tolerances if so.

Maybe the sweet spot for the EA211 is just something with an HTHS around 3 cP

Now to a similarly important issue - did they fix the drivetrain snapping axle tramp on this thing?
A FATAL engineering flaw as far as my money is concerned. - Ken

Happy Holidays!
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** Dealer install error

What does it mean it ran way too wrong?
EA211 were required to run 504.00 in Europe for a loooong time.
There are VW504.00 oils that have HTHS higher than M1 0W40.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

What does it mean it ran way too wrong?
EA211 were required to run 504.00 in Europe for a loooong time.
There are VW504.00 oils that have HTHS higher than M1 0W40.

I have posted on this multiple times over the past three years. I would think you would have read at least read 3 or 4 of them

Do not take my statement as a personal affront. A lot of this stuff doesn't make sense to engineers, mechanics and engine builders - unless you experienced it first-hand. I have given in to throwing up my hands and exclaiming, "If that's the way it is, then let's accommodate it."

Happy Holiday!

 

[edyvw]

I have posted on this multiple times over the past three years. I would think you would have read at least read 3 or 4 of them

Do not take my statement as a personal affront. A lot of this stuff doesn't make sense to engineers, mechanics and engine builders - unless you experienced it first-hand. I have given in to throwing up my hands and exclaiming, "If that's the way it is, then let's accommodate it."

Happy Holiday!

Of course I read it. I still stay at statement you can run 20W60.
How many unsuspected drivers redline that engine 2min into drive when merging from their neighborhood in the morning, after vehicle spent night at 0 degrees? Every morning someone tries “to kill me” bcs. I am babying my vehicles until they warm up. How thick is oil in engine that spent night in dead winter in Colorado and then rushing to drop kids etc?
I would say your engine was anomaly. In the end, M1 0W40 was running rough in my VW CC, yet returned excellent UOA.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Of course I read it. I still stay at statement you can run 20W60.
... ...
I would say your engine was anomaly. In the end, M1 0W40 was running rough in my VW CC, yet returned excellent UOA.

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[edyvw]

Well now see., C. C. Rider,
Well now see, see what you have done.
Well now see., C. C. Rider,
Well now see, see what you have done
Songwriters: Chuck Willis

Elvis has left the building!

Finally.

 

[kschachn]

Wouldn't this be the opposite effect..??? I would think moving a heavier oil would create more noise. Anyway between a 0w20 and 30 you'll hear no difference also with a 0w16 and 20. I had a Toyota that was "recommended to use 0w16" I switched back and forth between 16 and 20 with no audible difference. Lets take a bigger leap my friend has a 96 ss impala its not stock, he ran redline 20w50 for years had it in storage for sometime decided to get the car back on the road switched to Mobil 1 10w30 no sound difference either. Btw the 10w30 much better oil choice for the impala

Please post when you understand physics.

 

[Rogueman2016s]

Please post when you understand physics.

I know one thing this site if full of threads reworded 1001 ways about oils to thin who wants it thicker. Well since I don’t understand physics I turned to my search engine here’s what I’m told.

 

[tbm5690]

I know one thing this site if full of threads reworded 1001 ways about oils to thin who wants it thicker. Well since I don’t understand physics I turned to my search engine here’s what I’m told.

Ah yes, bettersoundproofing.com has always been a trusted source when it comes to tribology.

Not a personal attack, but evidence that you can't just Google something and expect accuracy.

 

[Rogueman2016s]

Ah yes, bettersoundproofing.com has always been a trusted source when it comes to tribology.

Not a personal attack, but evidence that you can't just Google something and expect accuracy.

I don’t take forums to heart this site is a form of entertainment and escape. Funny how frustrated man gets himself over oil viscosity and you know a textbook example of insanity repeating the same thing over and expecting different results. So let’s keep posting 0w20 is too thin auto makers want to sell cars they want you to blow your engine. 5w30 is quieter than 0w20. Oh the famous my 5w30 is thicker than your 5w30.

 

[edyvw]

I don’t take forums to heart this site is a form of entertainment and escape. Funny how frustrated man gets himself over oil viscosity and you know a textbook example of insanity repeating the same thing over and expecting different results. So let’s keep posting 0w20 is too thin auto makers want to sell cars they want you to blow your engine. 5w30 is quieter than 0w20. Oh the famous my 5w30 is thicker than your 5w30.

Auto makers recommend oil based on legal environment (CAFE), exploitation, climate variables etc.
BMW etc. say that fluid in ZF transmission is lifetime. ZF, which, you know, makes that transmission, says to change fluid every 60-75k. So, isn’t in auto manufacture’s interest to have transmission that last as long as rest of the vehicle?

 

[chris719]

I will also say the 508 was also too low an HTHS for my engine. Evidenced hard mechanical knocking when fully warmed. Your sample may vary. Doesn't speak well to production tolerances if so.

I would have to say that I find it hard to believe any differences in HTHS can cause audible knocking. Not doubting that you heard something, but the physics of it don't seem possible for that to be the mechanism.