Would you continue using Mannol?

Nexus2 said:
In my experience, Mannol is an excellent oil. Sure, it's run into some 'approval' discrepancies, but that's probably partly due to admin issues, amongst other things. If the oil was substandard to the point of being a risk to engines, it would be banned by the appropriate authorities (or at least the offending product would). Group IV (PAO) or Group V (esters) are not contained in all synthetic oils and, although they are beneficial in some applications, are not necessary for all. In fact PAO can cause some problems in engines such as possible seal shrinkage. To combat this, esters swell seals, so the correct balance is critical.

I've been using Mannol 7715 (504/507) in my 2008 Skoda Octavia 1.9Tdi PD BXE engine for 120,000 miles with absolutely no issues (a few of those years pulling caravans and heavy trailers). Turbo is the original, and that is completely dependent on good oil, otherwise it can self-destruct. I change the oil/filter every 10-12,000 miles (around a year). Prior to that, on a Mk1 Octy, I covered 100,000 miles with the same oil and same change interval - no issues.

I do think that, as oil and engine technology has become more complicated, people are becoming more paranoid on getting things 'right'. A few years ago, the average Joe wouldn't be thinking of PAOs and esters, and probably wouldn't even know what they are. Sure, putting the right oil in a modern car is the right thing to do, but making sure these oils are what they say they are is down to authorities such as the VLS and Trading Standards. Mannol has been investigated by VLS over certain claims, but whether this is simply down to making sure the correct paperwork has been submitted, rather than a problem with their oil, is open to debate.

All I can say is this oil has been tried and tested, by myself, over many years (even the years when there was dispute over its 'approval' claims). Having never had a problem with it, it's proof to me that it is safe to use with my car. The Mk2 has now covered 180,000 miles, and is still flawless in its engine performance.
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180k does not say much. Icelandic and Norwegian 1.9PDs have done over 600.000mi without issues.

But yes Mannol is 507.00 approved.

jurko

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TijY_ said:
180k does not say much. Icelandic and Norwegian 1.9PDs have done over 600.000mi without issues.

But yes Mannol is 507.00 approved.

jurko

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My point was not related to a 'how many miles has yours done' competition, but that mine has done 120,000 miles using Mannol 7715. As the thread was about whether Mannol can be trusted as a brand, I was reflecting my own, positive experience.
 
Manni76 said:
They are not approvals just self certifications. Mannol have a reputation for false certifications. You should only use oil brands that have been approved by the manufacturer which will be displayed on the packaging. If it says recommended or meets or exceeds on the bottle don't bother buying it
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Some Mannol are indeed have Freigabe/Approval, but some don't. The 7715 and 7730 havr 504⁄507 approval. The 7722 0w-20 had approval, but it didn't renew the license/approvals since 2024.
So, it depends on which oil. Its marketing is stupid and confusing.
There are a few of Mannol Oil with API certification:
https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsResultsDetail?accountId=-1&companyId=13937&resultsUrl=https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsResults?accountId=-1&companyName=SCT
 
My favorite Mannol Oil are the one with VW Approval 504/507 or 508/509 because they are generally have higher standard than just plain API SP. I put 7722 on my Auris/corolla station wagon hybrid and had been good. No oil consumption at all at 120k miles, with 5-8k Miles OCI.
Recently, the 7715 5w-30 is investigated and it has a bit too low HTHS for 504⁄507. So, use 7730 instead and 0w30 is always better for cold starts wear.
https://ukla-vls.org.uk/case-outcomes/vls010203/
 
rondhol said:
My favorite Mannol Oil are the one with VW Approval 504/507 or 508/509 because they are generally have higher standard than just plain API SP. I put 7722 on my Auris/corolla station wagon hybrid and had been good. No oil consumption at all at 120k miles, with 5-8k Miles OCI.
Recently, the 7715 5w-30 is investigated and it has a bit too low HTHS for 504⁄507. So, use 7730 instead and 0w30 is always better for cold starts wear.
https://ukla-vls.org.uk/case-outcomes/vls010203/
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According to VLS, the mPa.s unit that measures HTHS viscosity was a little lower (3.19 or so) for 7715 compared to some other oils which are around 3.5. However, this is fairly negligible unless you are demanding a LOT from your oil, like tuned/racing vehicles, etc. Ultimately, if you are driving a lot of hard miles and your engine is on course for 500,000 miles plus, then it's probably wise to use a more expensive brand. For most of us, a VAG approved oil like 7715 will be perfectly fine for the average 12,000 per year car. It would take me approximately 26 more years to reach 500,000 miles, by which time both the car and I will be extinct (probably).
 
rondhol said:
My favorite Mannol Oil are the one with VW Approval 504/507 or 508/509 because they are generally have higher standard than just plain API SP. I put 7722 on my Auris/corolla station wagon hybrid and had been good. No oil consumption at all at 120k miles, with 5-8k Miles OCI.
Recently, the 7715 5w-30 is investigated and it has a bit too low HTHS for 504⁄507. So, use 7730 instead and 0w30 is always better for cold starts wear.
https://ukla-vls.org.uk/case-outcomes/vls010203/
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Lol... brake fluid case is even worst.
 
The brake fluid is widely on sale. As this is a critical safety item, it's either ok now or the authorities are not doing their job and should be sued if anything happens.
 
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If conventional oil will go to 500,000 miles, why would you not run conventional? The vast majority of people don't run a car anywhere near that mileage.
 
rondhol said:
My favorite Mannol Oil are the one with VW Approval 504/507 or 508/509 because they are generally have higher standard than just plain API SP. I put 7722 on my Auris/corolla station wagon hybrid and had been good. No oil consumption at all at 120k miles, with 5-8k Miles OCI.
Recently, the 7715 5w-30 is investigated and it has a bit too low HTHS for 504⁄507. So, use 7730 instead and 0w30 is always better for cold starts wear.
https://ukla-vls.org.uk/case-outcomes/vls010203/
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The fact you even have to look and decide which one to use because some oils were a bit too thin for the specification advertised on the bottle is absolutely enough reason to avoid like the plague.

I can pick up a bottle of nearly any other brand of oil and not have to worry about any of this.
 
I just order 20 litres of 7715 and don't worry about any of this. Mannol oil is just as good as any other, despite the minute tech differences. No point in getting anal about tiny differences here and there.
 
Nexus2 said:
I just order 20 litres of 7715 and don't worry about any of this. Mannol oil is just as good as any other, despite the minute tech differences. No point in getting anal about tiny differences here and there.
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There's no 'tiny differences'. They regularly get called out for failing to meet the specifications they advertise.

The fact they even do this would call the approvals they advertise into disrepute too. Can you really trust what's in the bottle is exactly what is on the label?

I used to use them a lot, I until I did some research and absolutely not any more. The only thing I occasionally buy is brake cleaner.
 
Bailes1992 said:
There's no 'tiny differences'. They regularly get called out for failing to meet the specifications they advertise.

The fact they even do this would call the approvals they advertise into disrepute too. Can you really trust what's in the bottle is exactly what is on the label?

I used to use them a lot, I until I did some research and absolutely not any more. The only thing I occasionally buy is brake cleaner.
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Not really. Many of their oils are officially approved by VAG, including 7715. I'm sure VAG would be taking them to court if they were making these sorts of claims. Just because errors in approval have been made in the past doesn't make their oil bad, quite the contrary. I tend to go with facts, not with getting upset with trust issues.
 
Nexus2 said:
I just order 20 litres of 7715 and don't worry about any of this. Mannol oil is just as good as any other, despite the minute tech differences. No point in getting anal about tiny differences here and there.
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Wolf & Eurolub are priced better in 20L. With MB 229.5X approvals. Easy choice.
 
Can't find that here, and I doubt they'd compete with Mannol prices. Do you have a link?
 
We don't have Krona in the UK, and Sweden is a long way away!!

They don't 'outclass' Mannol, what are you talking about??
 
If price is your big driving factor then check to see if there is any forging going on in the UK for these oils. The Fuchs has a good reputation and has been used as factory fill with Mercedes. My 2008 E320 had a note in the import filings that stated Fuchs was factory fill oil.
Total Quartz Ineo was a darling of the Sprinter owners before Mobil 1 ESP became readily available in the US.
Fuchs Titan GT1 Pro 5w30 - £41.95
Total Quarts Ineo 5w30 - £38.99
 
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