Would you continue using Mannol?

[Bailes1992]

They have some interesting oil additives however, like the Mannol Ceramo Ester, comes in a 250 or 300ml can and it really is Ester plus a good shot of Moly and Zinc , have seen UOAs done with it and yes it does appear to work, i think the whole can treats up to 5L of oil.

I used it in my 'old' '21 Insignia with a 3 cylinder diesel that was rough as a badgers a*se from the day it left the factory and I think I noticed some improvement but I'm always very quick to pass everything off as a placebo. Maybe trying it in the Volvo with 150k+ on the clock would be a good test.

 

[V70tdi]

They have some interesting oil additives however, like the Mannol Ceramo Ester, comes in a 250 or 300ml can and it really is Ester plus a good shot of Moly and Zinc , have seen UOAs done with it and yes it does appear to work, i think the whole can treats up to 5L of oil.

In my opinion its better to buy a good oil with the specs your engine require. Why would a additive make a good oil better than the engineers and chemists at a well known oil refinery made it ?

 

[FCD]

In my opinion its better to buy a good oil with the specs your engine require. Why would a additive make a good oil better than the engineers and chemists at a well known oil refinery made it ?

I have never used oil additives either but this one in particular seems interesting and it has good reviews proven by UOAs so why not, i might give it a shot, i've experimented mixing oils before too intentionally and running them just out of plain curiosity, and i'm confident enough to do it without fear of harming my engine.

 

[Bailes1992]

I have never used oil additives either but this one in particular seems interesting and it has good reviews proven by UOAs so why not, i might give it a shot, i've experimented mixing oils before too intentionally and running them just out of plain curiosity, and i'm confident enough to do it without fear of harming my engine.

Do you have any examples? I'd be interested to see.

 

[Johnson Johnson]

They have some interesting oil additives however, like the Mannol Ceramo Ester, comes in a 250 or 300ml can and it really is Ester plus a good shot of Moly and Zinc , have seen UOAs done with it and yes it does appear to work, i think the whole can treats up to 5L of oil.

Don't you think that a good oil doesn't need additional additives? It must mess with the viscosity, and how well do these products interact with what's already in there?

 

[smuthy]

Mannol is a good choice here in Argentina (bcs low price and good performance, its used in some sport categories with good results), some of his oils has some cheap Sebacic Ester 5% Max (CAS:122-62-3, DEHS o dioctyl Sebacate).....and the Legend 0w40 7901 has 15% PAO (CAS: 68037-01-4) with Porsche A40 certificaction..... has a lot of products and Oils with differents specs and performance (good choice, obviously not match the quality of Mobil1 or similar, but some of his oils are respetable products).... excuse my poor english

 

[V70tdi]

Mannol is a good choice here in Argentina (bcs low price and good performance, its used in some sport categories with good results), some of his oils has some cheap Sebacic Ester 5% Max (CAS:122-62-3, DEHS o dioctyl Sebacate).....and the Legend 0w40 7901 has 15% PAO (CAS: 68037-01-4) with Porsche A40 certificaction..... has a lot of products and Oils with differents specs and performance (good choice, obviously not match the quality of Mobil1 or similar, but some of his oils are respetable products).... excuse my poor english

I cant see any Porche A40 approval fpr Mannol on the Porche A40 list but its from 2023 so if you have a newer that Mannol is approved on i would be happy to get a link.
Porche A40 05/23
The same with MB 229.5 not on the MB list of approved oils
MB 229.5 2025
I may be totaly wrong but I belive the BMW LL04 specs is a low/mid SAPS and ACEA A3/B4 is a full SAPS so how is the Mannol 7901 both a low/mid and a full SAPS at the same time ?

 

[FCD]

Mannol like other "smaller" brands doesn't really care about official manufacturer approvals.

They typically just state in their data sheets something like meets the requirements of *X y or z * specification.

Their oils are not necessarily bad for the most part but some VOAs and UOAs i've seen kind of seem disappointing.

On some oils like their 10W60 they also try to make it very clear that it has Ester, when it actually has very little, something like 5% or even less.

However they still sell very well, they offer some very economical oils compared to other brands especially on sites like Amazon, it is dirt cheap.

 

[Johnson Johnson]

Mannol like other "smaller" brands doesn't really care about official manufacturer approvals.

They typically just state in their data sheets something like meets the requirements of *X y or z * specification.

Their oils are not necessarily bad for the most part but some VOAs and UOAs i've seen kind of seem disappointing.

On some oils like their 10W60 they also try to make it very clear that it has Ester, when it actually has very little, something like 5% or even less.

However they still sell very well, they offer some very economical oils compared to other brands especially on sites like Amazon, it is dirt cheap.

Little cheaper than something with a better reputation IMO.

 

[Zee09]

I think Mannol is labeled here as
Triax......

 

[Johnson Johnson]

I think Mannol is labeled here as
Triax......

I use it in my lawnmower, it's not going in my cars again, ever.

 

[rondhol]

Any oil is good oil as long as they meet the standard either API or ACEA. Whatever brands, it is just marketing and profit margin. Do not do backyard chemistry and ruin a good formulation engine oil with stupid additives. Some can negate each other and make things only worse.

 

[Bailes1992]

Any oil is good oil as long as they meet the standard either API or ACEA. Whatever brands, it is just marketing and profit margin. Do not do backyard chemistry and ruin a good formulation engine oil with stupid additives. Some can negate each other and make things only worse.

But that's the problem with Mannol. We have no idea what specifications their products meet because they've been known to outright lie.

 

[rondhol]

@Bailes1992 I agree that they lie just like others in the USA. Castrol sell HC synthetic and marks it as full synthetic. Mannol does the same, selling mainly HC synthetic with a sprinkle of PAO and Ester but wrote it as the selling point.

The facts that Mannol oils are legit qualified oil as Supertech or Amazon Basic should be fine for budget friendly consumers. The rest is just marketing. What I know Mannol OIl are ACEAs grade, which in general is better than API because it is suitable for light diesel too.

Some are actually certified and listed in manufacturer approved brands such as VW 508/509 approval in 0W20 7722, or generic C5 7921 (30% cheaper). Manufacturer certification is expensive and makes the price cost way more than just ACEA grade C5.

 

[Bailes1992]

@Bailes1992 I agree that they lie just like others in the USA. Castrol sell HC synthetic and marks it as full synthetic. Mannol does the same, selling mainly HC synthetic with a sprinkle of PAO and Ester but wrote it as the selling point.

The facts that Mannol oils are legit qualified oil as Supertech or Amazon Basic should be fine for budget friendly consumers. The rest is just marketing. What I know Mannol OIl are ACEAs grade, which in general is better than API because it is suitable for light diesel too.

I don't think you've understood.

Mannol has outright lied about having approvals. They've been called out for lying saying their oils meet a specification when they don't, multiple times!

You cannot trust what is on the bottle is what's in the bottle.

 

[rondhol]

I got it, it was confirmed in many German medias. It was just mixed up statements by incompetence marketing. Some that is supposed to be Benz certification was also VW and vice versa and caused confusion to the customer. But it does not negate the facts that some of their Oil are indeed certified. WE just need to do our Homeworks and see from manufacturer certified oil list. Be smart a bit.
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/tech-zukunft/werkstatt/motoroel/

Sometimes no-name suppliers forgo the expensive oil approvals from the car manufacturer, which cost several hundred thousand euros and are associated with strict requirements – thus, nothing can be changed in the formulation or supply chain. To still be able to offer competitive oils, they try to either purchase their lubricants from oil producers that have manufacturer approvals. Or they tap into the large additive producers, of which there are only a few and who usually have all the information on mixing lubricants.

There are only 4 oil additive formulations producers in the world:
1. Cheveron Oronite
2. Lubrizol
3. Infineum (Shell-Exxon)
4. Afton Chemical,

The rest is just marketing with base oil from Hydrocracking and slap tothe botol as Castrol, REpsol, Mannol, etc.

 

[rondhol]

For similar price as Mannol, I prefer local Mannheim, Germany Fuchs. It has a very low pour points < -55C, with high quality HC or PAO.508/509 certified oil. Bigger brands Mobil1, Castrol, Shell, etc. can sell at much higher price even the performance are the same or lower because of their name and marketing.

It is just 2€ more for 5L than Mannol
https://www.welches-oel.de/motoroel...motoroel-c5-vw-508-00/509-00-porsche-c20?c=15

 

[Johnson Johnson]

I've always found Mannol gets burnt in my cars, it's cheap for a reason. Plus didn't they get caught selling dodgy dot 4 brake fluid?

I've just received some Smith & Allan 5w/40, is it any good?

 

[rondhol]

Typically, Bottler just take the base oil from big supplier (Exxon, Chevron, BP,etc.) and add the certified API additives from the big 4 (Lubrizol, Infenium, Afton, Oronite) and they are eligible to sell it as API SP oil.
Specific Mannol Oils that are certified by manufacturer, are usually not that much cheaper than Eurolube, Fuchs, etc. It is because of the certification fees.
I used Mannol 0W-20 without (C5) and with VW certification 508/509. The price gap is huge but from the Virgin Oil Analysis, the additives packages is very similar and they both work just fine for 5000 miles OCI. Now, I used OEM VW Oil, and the sound of the engine is exactly the same, my car does not consume oil with any brands either. It is 1.8L hybrid Corolla/Auris 2015 station wagon.

This video shows about the facts of engine oil blender, like Amsoil indeed uses PAO oil from Exxon. Just likeRavenol sells 2 different variant of 508/509 certified oil. VSE PAO base, and VSH mix group III and PAO (30% cheaper).

 

[Johnson Johnson]

Typically, Bottler just take the base oil from big supplier (Exxon, Chevron, BP,etc.) and add the certified API additives from the big 4 (Lubrizol, Infenium, Afton, Oronite) and they are eligible to sell it as API SP oil.
Specific Mannol Oils that are certified by manufacturer, are usually not that much cheaper than Eurolube, Fuchs, etc. It is because of the certification fees.
I used Mannol 0W-20 without (C5) and with VW certification 508/509. The price gap is huge but from the Virgin Oil Analysis, the additives packages is very similar and they both work just fine for 5000 miles OCI. Now, I used OEM VW Oil, and the sound of the engine is exactly the same, my car does not consume oil with any brands either. It is 1.8L hybrid Corolla/Auris 2015 station wagon.

This video shows about the facts of engine oil blender, like Amsoil indeed uses PAO oil from Exxon. Just likeRavenol sells 2 different variant of 508/509 certified oil. VSE PAO base, and VSH mix group III and PAO (30% cheaper).