this is why there are approvals..so that you dont have to ask around if an oil is ok or not..
Yes thats true if you can confirm the approval to be legit. Mannol has been claim for approvals they dont have like Dexos 1 for an example.this is why there are approvals..so that you dont have to ask around if an oil is ok or not..
maybe you misunderstood my comment.i was refering to mannol and their so called approvals,which are not legit,except one vw and maybe one mb.Yes thats true if you can confirm the approval to be legit. Mannol has been claim for approvals they dont have like Dexos 1 for an example.
. if the oil is a problem then it is for all engines,cheap or m5..i dont know why people think that driven in speed limits will not create a problem for oil if its of bad quality.or i dont know why people think that everyone who drives a small engine drives slowly and a driver with a M5 drives to the limit.I knew someone that once worked for Mobil in the UK is sales. They told me of the very high profit margins in Mobil 1 when sold to distributors etc. So I suggest that perhaps a cheaper product may be very good if not the very best, despite a much cheaper price. It is very difficult to judge oils as they are used as problems may only appear years later. If you do not want to subsidise ad and marketing budgets, perhaps Mannol is a good enough product for most users that just baby their car along within speed limits. If you have a M3/M5 or similar then perhaps not worth taking any risk at all with the oil.
What is a bad oil? Oils are far better than 30yrs ago with black sludge and definitely shot after 6k miles. Semi synth oils made a big difference and engine wear became far less of an issue as a result.. if the oil is a problem then it is for all engines,cheap or m5..i dont know why people think that driven in speed limits will not create a problem for oil if its of bad quality.or i dont know why people think that everyone who drives a small engine drives slowly and a driver with a M5 drives to the limit.
a bad oil is bad for any engine
The big issue with Mannol is that you dont know whats in the jug. When they lied about approvals what makes me then belive what API/ACEA standards and viscosity i buy in the jug of Mannol ?What is a bad oil? Oils are far better than 30yrs ago with black sludge and definitely shot after 6k miles. Semi synth oils made a big difference and engine wear became far less of an issue as a result.
We now have a situation where engines if correctly manufactured far outlast the body and electrics on most cars, so running cars during the last years of their lives as the body rusts out on the very best oils is clearly wasting money.
One of the most important roles of engine oils is to carry contaminants in suspension so regular oil changes are as important as using the very best oils.
M3/M5's when used flat out place far higher thermal demands on lubricants than grannies on the shopping run, when water retention is far more of an issue.
I have used Mannol on 1.9 VW PD engines where the cam loadings are far higher than normal without issue whilst knowing if the correct ads are missing problems with cam wear will show up pretty dam quickly. So the additives that work appear to be there for that engine at least.
I have also used it on 1.4TDCI Foed engines. They sound very happy and without issue(unlike old Pinto engines that rattled and complained when the oil had lost its protection).
I also as you would hope being on here change it regularly at the recommended but not the 20k miles 'long life' intervals.
I say all this as many on here are quite anal in their oil preferences and usage. Oil can only do so much in helping a poorly manufactured or maintained engines. I would far rather have a Honda running on Mannol than a JLR running on the very best oil.
Finally I use the very best CAR oil on my BMW K75 motorcycle as it runs very, very hot even though it it renowned as a long lasting engine as it does really push the envelope of an oils performance as it has a specific output over twice that of my cars.
What do you mean?you give plenty of dollars or euros ,i dont know where are you from,for gas every week and you are cheap on oil..50 dollars for a junk,a week"s gas at least...its your engine,olive oil is cheaper ,you can use that..
I belive its the temperature that make the big difference.I do wonder why they seem to have such bad issues with sludging in The USA, most of them believe it's crazy to run 10,000 miles let alone 20k between changes. Could it be ACEA oils are just much better than their API rated equivalents?
Higher temperatures?I belive its the temperature that make the big difference.
wasnt refer to your post..What do you mean?
Ok, but I still don't understandwasnt refer to your post..
Yes, I've also heard the same about Millers?i hear smith and allan is a serious blender there..and cheap
Mannol is not necessarily a bad brand but a bit shady, some of their oils I've seen have good VOAs and UOAs while others do not.
Why don't you give Comma a try, i think you are in the Uk? Also cheap and has a better reputation imo.
i hear smith and allan is a serious blender there..and cheap
Yes, I've also heard the same about Millers?