Hermann
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Why don't you tell us how you really feel about hybrids. It obvious that you haven't driven any, and the amount of FEAR you have of them is borderline hysterical. IMO
Would you buy a hybrid?
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They’re fine to drive. Why is everyone so sure they’re as reliable as an ICE after 15 years? They’re the worst of both worlds if driving dynamics are considered. As far as getting A to B goes that’s not a consideration, but beyond that you’re not going to sell more complication being a non issue when it’s old.
The point of this thread is, would you buy a hybrid or not and why? So I shared my opinion.
Why is it hybrid fanbois get so flustered with any opinion that differs from theirs? Perhaps there compensating for something?
Hermann
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And vice-versa many many times.
Before buying the Maverick I had never driven a hybrid. Had similar opinions as you on them. Although I opened my mind and saved $4K over the ecoboost I had initially ordered. The hybrid experience has been very good so far. Mine has been reliable, only recalls and I am selective on which of those I do. If it isn't broke don't fix it. Mine was cash positive from the first press of the accelerator. Recalls are basically forever, so I am covered there. I never planned to drive this vehicle past 100K and it is covered till then with Ford ESP Premium plan with $0 deductible
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Hermann
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Which driving dynamics, Mine is 0 to 60 in 7.5 to 7.7 seconds. It has handling characteristics of vehicles that cost Thousands more. How many modern hybrids have you driven?
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Reminds me of the person who is convinced piston ( not even turbo prop ) engines are safer than jet engines. I don’t even try discussing that with that person, it’s a waste of time.
It’s beyond hilarious.
Nothing will change their mind.
BITOG can be very entertaining at times which is good to be honest as long as people are polite.
It’s beyond hilarious.
Nothing will change their mind.
BITOG can be very entertaining at times which is good to be honest as long as people are polite.
We've had two Priuses -- a 2001 that we bought in 2005 and a 2007 Touring that we bought in 2012. We still own the '07, and just got back after driving it to dinner. It is my wife's daily driver, and she wants to keep it forever.
We replaced the main battery at about 140,000 miles four years ago. I found an indy Prius specialist who brought a factory Toyota battery out to my house and replaced it in my driveway for $2800. I think his labor and mileage was about $300 of that. There are refurbished and aftermarket batteries available for less than $1,000 but this is my wife's car, and I didn't want to cut corners. A handy person, if so inclined, could DiY the battery in a couple hours.
The one annoying failure with the car was front wheel bearings. We're on our third set. Other than oil, gas, trans fluid change every 50K, wiper blades, I changed the spark plugs at 120k, and struts at 150. It got a Walker muffler about the same time as the plugs.
The 2001 model, I didn't like. It was a tin can -- a reliable tin can, but no pleasure to drive. I still see a few of the Gen 1 models around in my area of southern Wisconsin once or twice a month.
We replaced the main battery at about 140,000 miles four years ago. I found an indy Prius specialist who brought a factory Toyota battery out to my house and replaced it in my driveway for $2800. I think his labor and mileage was about $300 of that. There are refurbished and aftermarket batteries available for less than $1,000 but this is my wife's car, and I didn't want to cut corners. A handy person, if so inclined, could DiY the battery in a couple hours.
The one annoying failure with the car was front wheel bearings. We're on our third set. Other than oil, gas, trans fluid change every 50K, wiper blades, I changed the spark plugs at 120k, and struts at 150. It got a Walker muffler about the same time as the plugs.
The 2001 model, I didn't like. It was a tin can -- a reliable tin can, but no pleasure to drive. I still see a few of the Gen 1 models around in my area of southern Wisconsin once or twice a month.
It's funny how some people are just determined to be salty about hybrid vehicles. It's weird. But whatever. I'm all for saving money, and you don't need 10 years or any complicated math whatsoever. You save money virtually instantly. And what are these expensive repairs I'm hearing about? I had a Prius for 5 years and didn't do anything to it. I didn't even change the oil very much. I don't think I did anything at all other than maybe two or three oil changes. No coolant, nothing with the batteries, literally nothing.
Didn’t have one. They didn’t even have the hybrid at the STL “auto show” (hard to take it seriously after having been to the Detroit show) this past January.
And they are different enough a drive in the ICE only power train would not do.
My youngest has a Prius, so I’m somewhat familiar with the basic platform.
Anyway, loving the CX-30 so not a big loss.
I got a RAV4 Hybrid back in 2017 and love it. It is one thing you have to learn to drive to really benefit from, even if you can drive it like another vehicle. Even then, a hybrid may not be right for you. If you do a lot of highway driving, then don't. Toyota synergy drive is the most reliable. So this year, I bought a Ford F-150 PowerBoost. Can't believe I am getting better mpg over my old 20 year old mid size truck.
Fixes the turbo lag... Got about 200 large? You gotta pay to play!
Hermann
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How old were the Priri ? How is a replacing a battery for $3-4K any more costly and any different than the legions of GM 3.6L that need the $7K tuneup, or the Ford cam phasers for $5K before 100K. Its all money. Just think about how much less air pollution hybrids produced through it life. Folks, this is a deep rabbit hole.
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Would you by a hybrid?
Give a snarky response to posters who's answers you're opposed to.
Would you by a hybrid?
I looked for my wife's next car for nearly a year. Back around 2018 I noted that asian hybrid cars lost value the fastest. Maybe Asian Hybrids are retaining value better these days with legions of people going away from electrics.
Back in 2018 electric cars were holding their value pretty good and that's completely changed.
Gas was cheap too in 2018, in the $2 range......
No. I would not buy any vehicle where the only option for a replacement battery is a dealer only item, and one prone to catching on fire.
I had no issues with my 2015 Volt but I traded it in because the Bolt fit my needs better since I’d moved to a place where I could charge every night.
Plenty of Volts with high mileage out there. And they are building a batch of new batteries that will be available by the end of the year for at least the second gen Volts as there are some people waiting for warranty replacements although it is not a common failure.
The second gen Volts did have BECM issues. But they recently extended the warranty on this issue and parts are in stock at dealers apparently.
The Volt has a much bigger battery and is a much more complex vehicle than your average hybrid IMO. And it has a proven track record of reliability even at high mileage.
My mom’s bf has a second gen Prius with like 250K miles on it. He recently replaced the hybrid battery for a couple thousand bucks. Since buying the car new, this was his first repair outside of regular maintenance things.
Go on Facebook marketplace and you’ll find plenty of Escape hybrids that used to be taxis. Many of them with over 300K miles.
Are all hybrids perfect? No. But I’d say they are not less reliable than non-hybrid cars.
Plenty of Volts with high mileage out there. And they are building a batch of new batteries that will be available by the end of the year for at least the second gen Volts as there are some people waiting for warranty replacements although it is not a common failure.
The second gen Volts did have BECM issues. But they recently extended the warranty on this issue and parts are in stock at dealers apparently.
The Volt has a much bigger battery and is a much more complex vehicle than your average hybrid IMO. And it has a proven track record of reliability even at high mileage.
My mom’s bf has a second gen Prius with like 250K miles on it. He recently replaced the hybrid battery for a couple thousand bucks. Since buying the car new, this was his first repair outside of regular maintenance things.
Go on Facebook marketplace and you’ll find plenty of Escape hybrids that used to be taxis. Many of them with over 300K miles.
Are all hybrids perfect? No. But I’d say they are not less reliable than non-hybrid cars.
I wouldn’t be concerned about hybrid battery packs catching on fire. Size and energy density of them are minimal.
EV’s, on the other hand, that is a different story.
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You would be surprised at the size and scale of heat release and overpressure that a 1kWh metal oxide cathode Li-ion battery can put out.
I’m not enthralled with Toyota hybrids versus others. But what you’re saying is pretty ridiculous frankly. Adapt? Adapt to what? Are you implying that you’re not intelligent enough to operate an ICE? Because that’s what you’re doing. A hybrid is seamless. Guess what, you even get to change the oil and filters on the engine.
Don’t sell yourself short. There’s no real concern. Sure, the hybrid battery could fail. Definitely. And batteries can be dangerous. But that’s no different than the 12v battery in your existing cars. They fail. They can short circuit, or blow up if abused.
There’s no real reason to avoid hybrids for passenger vehicles, except maybe in the edge case of super low use per year.
0-60 isn’t driving dynamics and that isn’t that quick. The average vehicle is exactly that, average. Hybrid systems are just more weight that take away from agility no matter how you slice it. The lightweight integrated systems are in $1M cars and now the Corvette and new Porsche. I like the Maverick and all but you’re not going to sell it to me as my next GTI.
They were older. It’s not an attack on the Prius. I’m just saying it’s a system that ICE cars don’t have that may come up. One of them I know was a 1st gen, however old that is now.
