Yeah get a Toyota. Hyundai is hit or miss.
Would you buy a hybrid?
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If your Hyundai and KIA maybe. Toyota, Honda and Ford Hybrids hold there value well.
Me too. My other vehicle is a 1999 dodge Dakota. It's a dinosaur and it has a whiny fuel pump at the moment I need to replace.
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Interesting perspective. To me the hybrid seems like the best of both worlds. I don't own one yet but a plugin or regular hybrid probably will be my next vehicle. I have zero interest in pure EV but have no objections to others owning them.
Hybrid is like having both complexities to save a couple MPG. Like one of those old tv/dvd player combos. One half always failed first.
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I wasn’t aware hybrids had more problems other than models made by companies that also have problems with regular ICE models.
Hybrids are great, but are more complex because they are gas and electric. But the good ones, especially the newer models, are pretty darn good. Owners love em.
There's just more possibilities to go wrong and if the electric side of things goes wrong some cars don't allow the ICE to work on its own as a backup. It doesn't mean that it's going to be unreliable.
True, and allocation plays a big part. Demand outstrips supply. Toyota and the others need to listen to their dealerships.
Fwiw, genuine Honda extended warranties (max 8 yrs/120k) prices for CRV hybrids vs ICE are similar, with the hybrids slightly more expensive. So Honda doesn’t see the complexity as an issue in that time frame.
We like ours. I normally kill my wife in MPG in daily driving. (in our truck she averages 13-15mpg, and I easily get 20-22) In our hybrid if I am careful, I can eek out 39 mpg. She can race around town like a crazy person and still easily get 35 mpg.
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I can't see a vehicle being less reliable just because it's more complex ( hybrid/ICE powertrain ).
If an unreliable hybrid system is mated with an unreliable ICE, I could understand that complexity resulting in less reliability but not if both are well designed.
A320 CFM 56 Jet engine is very complex, but it's also very reliable.
So far, I have only had one issue and they have always started.
I am just throwing this out there, I enjoy the discussion.
If an unreliable hybrid system is mated with an unreliable ICE, I could understand that complexity resulting in less reliability but not if both are well designed.
A320 CFM 56 Jet engine is very complex, but it's also very reliable.
So far, I have only had one issue and they have always started.
I am just throwing this out there, I enjoy the discussion.
I'm not sure why some folks repeat the old saw about the battery. I'm on my third hybrid, all Fords. The first two were firstyear 2005 Escape and the second 2011. I like most people enjoy the features of a newer car which is the only reason I kept updating, to my current Maverick. The battery is the least of the problems, as borne out by the New York taxis which were using first/second gen Escapes for upwards of 400K miles without major mechanical problems. Also with the original battery. And, with regard to street use, while they won't outrun a Tesla they are surprising adept with the momentary add-on grunt the battery offers when attempting a quick passing maneuver.
Apples and oranges comparison. Commercial jet vs consumer car.
The original Toyota hybrids were ultra reliable. They were trying to prove a concept. I believe since everything has been about cost reduction. That’s typical for all consumer products.
By definition the more systems the more possibility of failure. Not that it couldn’t be designed to last forever - but the cost wouldn’t be conducive to maximum profit nor consumer budgets.
Obviously varies by model and only time will tell.
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So, hybrid technology is possible to be just as reliable unless they don't care about reliability as much as before.
If cost cutting is the reason, wouldn't that logic apply to their ICE line up as well?
Not an expert with Toyota, but I wonder if they are aware the main reason anyone I know who is brand loyal is because they feel they are more reliable.
I haven't looked up the reliability ratings of Toyota hybrids but will later tonight and chime back in.
Boeing proved even aircraft manufacturers can cut corners to save $
I don't take jet engine reliability for granted, look at all the problems ( we have several A220 long term grounded due to engine problems ) with some of the latest, complex jet engines.
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=47339&id=47343&id=47344
Note: You can personalize the price of fuel and miles driven per year.
Now go pull two new cars for sale in identical trim with one being a hybrid and compare.
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Hermann
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They don't
